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QUOTE (illinilaw08 @ Jan 25, 2017 -> 12:21 PM) Jones is really the only guy I'm surprised that we haven't heard more smoke on. The market was flooded with RH power bats, and both Frazier and Jose are coming off down years. Robertson wasn't great last year. All three of those guys have a chance to build their value back up with a strong first half of '17. I really don't get why Jones hasn't had more smoke though. Totally agree with this. I am really curious why nothing has been said about him.

QUOTE (Reddy @ Jan 25, 2017 -> 12:26 PM) We have Trump because liberals ate their own. The far left attacked Clinton with the same vehemence as the far right, and fought their battles for them. Throwing in the towel on Booker and Warren because they're realistic and pragmatic and need to play politics to fight the battles that need to be fought is asinine. The entire rest of the GOP field attacked Trump, as did the Dems. All it really did was add to his street cred.

QUOTE (Special K @ Jan 25, 2017 -> 11:33 AM) Robertson, Frazier and Melky at the very least, need to go. Abreu / Jones I'd like to see something solid in return. And it's not like we don't have players we'd like to get a look at in the minors still... e.g. Davidson. Plus Saladino we still need to see a full season from... No one wants them. They have zero trade value.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jan 25, 2017 -> 11:46 AM) If people want to believe the "only trading bad apples" theory they can certainly point to the fact that Jones, Robertson, Frazier, etc are still on the team as well, it's not just the fact that they haven't traded Q. Like I said, I'm not completely buying into that theory yet but so far they haven't done anything to prove that wrong either. Jones is literally the only other guy who has any trade value who is still on this team. We KNOW for a fact that the Sox have talked with teams about trading at least Frazier, Abreu, and Robertson, and have been met with no interest at all from teams. Logic tells me that there are very likely a whole lot of other discussions we don't know about.

QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Jan 25, 2017 -> 11:24 AM) Refuting it would have to lend a degree of trust in a White Sox front office that has done nothing to earn it this decade. Refuting it is very easy with the evidence that is out there. #1 on the list is we know what the Sox have asked for from Houston, and it wasn't ridiculous.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jan 25, 2017 -> 11:21 AM) Garfien also said it hasn't been quiet. They get calls every day but nobody has met the price. What the f*** are they asking for? They are asking for Sale return, I am sure.

What a freaking meltdown. Geesh.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jan 25, 2017 -> 10:59 AM) I think 5th-7th is worst case if Q isn't traded at all. This team is bad. Yeah, I am not sure why people would have any expectations for this team. They have all of the same holes as they had last year, and they are minus their best pitcher and most consistent hitter & fielder.

QUOTE (Two-Gun Pete @ Jan 25, 2017 -> 08:01 AM) Hey, thanks for putting together a list. At least we all have something real to discuss, since it seems as though there won't be any more trades until midseason. That said, 1. I agree about Willy Garcia, he should be somewhere in these lists, IMHO. 2. The three guys above (Adolfo, Davidson, & Zangari) are all strikeout losers who are unlikely to amount to anything. As a Sox fan, I hope that they all have miracle seasons as Trayce Thompson did in 2015, so that Hahn can sucker some other org into giving us real value in exchange for them. 3. People keep lauding Marco Paddy who his work, yet 5 years into his tenure, I don't see a lot of his signees in these lists, or in the big club, or doing much of anything. Hell, Adolfo & his pile of Ks & frequent injuries are used to praise Paddy, yet Adolfo sucks out loud. Why does Parry get a pass? There might even be a valid point here, but when it degrades to calling players names, it loses all credibility.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jan 25, 2017 -> 09:23 AM) Agreed 100%. My own speculation, but I'm betting Soxfest is an unofficial, soft deadline. No talking until another team's GM calls and offers exactly what Hahn wants. I think the Soxfest surprise was more apt when it was a positive thing, versus the loss of another player.

QUOTE (GermanSock @ Jan 25, 2017 -> 06:34 AM) Hey guys, I'm new here, guy from germany who follows the sox. I think the sox should try everything to keep him at C. 10 years ago guys who can strike out, walk and hit for power were valued very highly (OBP,OPS era of sabermetrics) but in the last couple years that type of 1b/DH good OBP/power slugger has lost a lot of value on the market and you can get solid 1B guys with power on the cheap. of course he still has value there, especially at the league minimum salary but unless he hits like jim thome the value for a good but not great hitting 1B (120 OPS+) with mediocre D is limited if you go by WAR (often under 2 which is around league average for a full time starter). So in the current market I don't think collins can really hit himself out of catching just with his power and patience, unless he drastically reduces his Ks and suddenly his 315 with the same kind of power because you can always buy a chris carter (or equivalent) to do the same quite cheap. collins value as a DH/1b is not zero and it is a fall back plan but if you can get him to not suck at C that would be great. especially the new framing data make that interesting for not so athletic catchers. athleticism might limit blocking and throwing but even a non athlete could still become a good framer if you have the right personell to teach it (and inherent talent of the player). so if they could teach collins to frame well he could be an OK catcher even with so so blocking and throwing skills. of course not every non athlete can become a good framer and it is still not quite clear how to teach framing. it could also be that collins becomes a bad framer on top of bad blocking and throwing and in that case he indeed would be unplayable at C and needs to go back to plan B but you should give him all the time to learn framing (and get his throwing and blocking to non terrible). I would definitely give him all the time he needs because a 260 bat with walks and power but no baserunning or defensive value still plays at the MLB level but is not as valuable as it used to be. Welcome to Soxtalk!

Now we are seeing why the slow expansion of powers in the Presidency over the years is such a dangerous thing. We have watched each subsequent President take things a little bit further, until when we got a true lunatic in office, he is taking full advantage of all of these things without any sort of Presidential type of respect for this level of power. Trump has literally cut out Congress and is ruling by decree now. This why the Executive Order has always been dangerous and IMO should have been unconstitutional all along.

Krueger is back. http://committedindians.com/blackhawks-act...-marcus-kruger/

I am just going to get in here for long enough to say that not only are multiple people violating the terms of the filibuster, but there are also personal attacks which are a violation of the sites rules. Suspensions can and will be given out if this keeps up. I know a lot of people aren't happy right now, but that is not an excuse to break the rules that we all know exist here.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 24, 2017 -> 12:32 PM) WWII and atomic history nerds might like reading over this. It's a transcript of secretly recorded captured Nazi Germany scientists as they learn that America has used a nuclear weapon on Japan. It is amazing how many times they state that they (The Germans) didn't really want to win the war.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jan 24, 2017 -> 12:24 PM) Rodon's scouting report has always been 50 grade control, which he really improved upon in 2016...Glasnow is nearly the same age and regressed in 2016 Whereas Glasnow is 40/45 grade at best control And that is with Rodon getting shoved through the minors in about an hour and a half. If Rodon had taken the typical tour de minors, he would have put up some disgusting numbers against true minor league talent.

QUOTE (reiks12 @ Jan 24, 2017 -> 10:57 AM) Rodon had a 4.6 BB/9 as a 22 year old. So his BB/9 was about half a walk less, and that was at the major league level, and not the minors.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Jan 24, 2017 -> 10:45 AM) Not directed at you but I was saying this all year and touched on it in 2015. Everyone was flinging garbage at me for it too. Eaton is/was a douchebag and a bad teammate. Sale was not a bad teammate but had no regard for his superiors and basically did what he wanted. A lot of signs have been there. I know I touched on it at different points, but this does confirm what has been able to be read between the lines for some time now.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jan 24, 2017 -> 10:10 AM) Who cares? Eaton is a great player, but he obviously rubbed some guys the wrong way. If Frazier is one of those guys, to me, that means Eaton was even worse than I originally though as Frazier is widely considered one of the best dudes in the game. This rebuild was not about getting Sale and Eaton off the roster - those guys were the #1 and #3 most valuable trade chips we had. It fits some people's narrative, but its clearly not why this happened. The fact that those guys were a little bit of loose cannons is just gravy now that they're gone. But some people will spin anything. It is quite obvious that the White Sox spent a lot of time and energy protecting Sale and Eaton from themselves. But that has nothing to do with who got moved first. Look at the returns on the players that got moved. Look at the offers that have been publicized for Q. Look at the complete lack of interest by anyone in the remainder of the roster. For most of us it is pretty easy to see that 2+2=4, and not that the Bilderbergs are involved, but I digress.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jan 24, 2017 -> 04:10 AM) http://www.royalsreview.com/2017/1/24/1436...nfirmed-reports Horrible if true. That is just depressing.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jan 23, 2017 -> 08:24 PM) Huh? My post has nothing to do with the Cubs, and I was talking about acquiring pitching prospects. No idea where you're going w this one. I am going to guess a list of Cubs prospects from the 90's.

QUOTE (Special K @ Jan 23, 2017 -> 05:00 PM) I'm surprised we haven't heard a whisper about these vets. These guys should be gone. I'd personally try to package them together and / or trade them and eat as much salary as possible to try and get the best talent back as possible. Plus, I'd like them off the roster so we can tank as much as possible for drafting purposes. Makes no sense to try and be competitive this year. I'm not. They have no trade value.

QUOTE (Baron @ Jan 23, 2017 -> 04:53 PM) That article just shows me that they are still a ways off even with Q. Maybe they can compete with the Cardinals...maybe. The Cards could beat a Pirates offer that didn't include Bell or Meadows. They could go something like Reyes, Bader, Perez, and someone like Carson Kelly.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jan 23, 2017 -> 06:42 PM) Logan Forsythe got the #33 prospect in baseball. It's things like this that put the requests for Q in perspective. Yep. Preach.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Jan 23, 2017 -> 01:51 PM) This is where my disconnect is. "Massive flaws" = nowhere near being included on a top 10 prospect list in all of baseball, at least to my way of thinking. I, of course, acknowledge that these various lists out there are not the end all/be all, that as some other posters have pointed out, each team operates under their own understanding of a player's capabilities based on what their scouts are telling them. I would just think someone with such a "big red flag" as you point out which hasn't been corrected by "one of the top pitching organizations in baseball" would not be on ANY of these lists if whatever issue(s) he has is/are as bad as you suggest. Then explain Joey Gallo.