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QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jan 20, 2017 -> 09:28 AM) I'm all for depth, but the smart move is to acquire several elite prospects who have the potential to be game changers for our franchise Suitors top prospects must be on the table or a deal is not getting done (see Eaton and Sale deals for reference) That should be Plan A. But if someone is willing to offer you a package of players that could plug 3/4/5 holes with players that should be solid everyday players, it is also worth thinking about. A lack of depth in the starting line up has been the achillies heel of this team for years.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jan 19, 2017 -> 06:51 PM) Fun fact: The Veteran's Committee is allowed to vote on Minoso the negro league player or Minoso the MLB player. Not both. that is so odd, and sad.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 20, 2017 -> 08:15 AM) That is exactly what I'm suggesting. That they likely have some nice offers on the table, but have specific targets (Meadows, Torres, etc) they're waiting to see if ultimately become available. Any by all means wait until spring training and see if one of those untouchables suddenly become touchable. We control THIS market and can take our time for now. But I'll keep repeating this, if one of those targets doesn't become available, don't pass up on good value right now in hopes of a perfect offer later. Nothing is promised tomorrow. If teams aren't willing to pony up in what is considered the worst free agent market for starting pitching in the history of baseball, I find it highly unlikely we'll do better at the deadline or next offseason when market conditions are less favorable. If top players aren't available, it would take a really deep and quantity based package to still give the White Sox good value.

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Jan 19, 2017 -> 02:41 PM) Buehrle far and away I think. I don't think he'll get in but he does have an argument. Bill James has said that 60 WAR is kind of the threshold to reach to have a legit shot. Buehrle is sitting at 51.9 fWAR. The 214 wins is a little low for most voters (I understand wins are a pretty garbage stat for pitchers but voters still look at it) and the ERA is a little high. He does have a 117 ERA+ though that does compare favorably to many Hall of Famers and bests quite a few. He also has a few of the key moment type things voters take note of like the perfect game and no hitter, the only guy to face the minimum 27 batters 3 times, once held the batters retired streak record, the remarkable durability and the streak of 10 win, 200 IP seasons. If I were a voter for homerism might cause me to vote for Buehrle. Looking at completely objectively he falls a bit short. Had he not retired early he could have made a run at 300 wins and would have a much better case but alas that did not happen. Buehrle's only chance is counting stats. He would need to pitch until he is 40 and rack those up. Other than that, no.

QUOTE (shipps @ Jan 19, 2017 -> 12:06 PM) Avi always looked the part. Just never had all the other stuff outside of looking the part unfortunately. https://twitter.com/loswhitesox/status/822140741363306496 It is the process between the ears he needs to fix. His physical tools are as good as anyone.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 19, 2017 -> 12:34 PM) No he didn't. Ron Santo was a 5 time gold glove 3B and a great hitter in an era where run suppression was much higher than in Konerko's time. Ron Santo was most definitely worthy of being in the Hall of Fame. I'm a "big" Hall of Fame guy, but Konerko does not belong in the Hall of Fame, unless of course he is just visiting and pays the admission fee. This. You can't really compare the counting stats from the two era's.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jan 19, 2017 -> 01:05 PM) With them taking a step back from competing, it is entirely plausible that they start him in A ball this year as a starter and see if they can make it work. He would move quickly as a RP, but with really no need for him at the ML level this season, they could really take their time and give him a shot. It is entirely possible that after a year they decide it just isn't going to work, but it will give him a chance to build some endurance as well as secondary pitches that could make him into a RP in the mold of Andrew Miller. I agree totally with this. This would give you max flexibility. You can always push him as a reliever if things change. If he doesn't get IP, he is never going to be a starter, and now is the time because you won't need him for years.

QUOTE (3GamesToLove @ Jan 19, 2017 -> 11:45 AM) No, and he shouldn't. He'll probably fall off the ballot after one year. This wouldn't shock me either.

No. Paul Konerko is not a Hall of Famer. See also Baines, Harold.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 19, 2017 -> 10:19 AM) Chicago has a lot of manmade problems, but a lot of those manmade problems are made worse by the fact that people have shown to enjoy living in warmer climates. Pensions become a huge problem when people that fund it move away, less so when they are moving here. The only midwest city you can point to as growing consistently is Minnesota. Indiana, a fairly well run state, should be destroying Illinois in population growth. But it faces the same problem we do, it isn't warm. If we tackle the pensions and make strides in preventing violence, Chicago should just make sure it provides lots of housing and grab the run-off. Illinois led the US in population loss. Indiana actually gained about the same amount of population as Illinois lost. Indianapolis has gained almost all of that number. Chicago has been declining in population for decades now, and reportedly has accelerated in recent years.

One thing I will say is that the AL is going to be much better than the NL this year. San Diego is going to be playing against a decent amount of other tanking teams, while the AL doesn't have that many teams in the same boat. These bad teams will play each other on a regular basis.

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QUOTE (3GamesToLove @ Jan 19, 2017 -> 09:32 AM) Before reading it: IF you have a cable package, surely... This is true, but still YES!!!

QUOTE (Username @ Jan 19, 2017 -> 08:00 AM) Marlins just gave up 2 pretty decent prospects and a lotto ticket for Dan Straily, LOL! The guy had a 4.88 FIP last year. Have to think that can't be bad for Q's market. https://twitter.com/ken_rosenthal/status/822069860620533762 These are the deals that make me wonder why we haven't heard more about Nate Jones and Dan Jennings being available.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jan 18, 2017 -> 07:24 PM) Somewhat related to this thread, but when do you guys expect Burdi to be in Chicago? 2019. I think they make him a starter. No reason not to try now.

Of course they aren't going to tell fans that. They still want to sell tickets.

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QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jan 18, 2017 -> 02:30 PM) He's not coming under these rules. He can wait until he turns 25 and get paid $200 million. I believe Sox will be linked to players for this period. Probably already have agreements. Should start hearing about them in February. Under the new system, it also doesn't make sense to "sit out". Sox should spend their guaranteed $4.75 million every season and try to get up to $8.3 million total to spend. What could be interesting at this specific moment is the old rules were way lower cap numbers for the teams. For all of the teams that had been planning on staying under cap, they may well be looking at a decent amount of extra money that they didn't expect to have. For example, the Sox had about 2.9 million last year, and finished right around the same spot this year. If they had been negotiating with the idea that they had $3 million-ish to spend, what changes now they have about $2 million more dollars for this July?

QUOTE (Baron @ Jan 18, 2017 -> 02:05 PM) So lets just say a year passes and we're in this exact same spot with Q. The guys who are on board with waiting arent going to complain if his value drops right? You'll just say it was a risk worth taking? I will. Just because something doesn't come to fruition doesn't mean it wasn't the right thing to do.

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QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Jan 18, 2017 -> 01:23 PM) I would almost guarantee you that the offers currently on the table and offered by Houston, Atlanta and possibly New York are not subpar. Pittsburgh its harder to tell, they really need to include Bell or Meadows. The Astros offered Tucker, Paulino, Martes and two additional prospects for Chris Archer, you dont think there is a similar deal for Quintana? Is that return really "subpar"? From all the reporting and speculation from people who seem to know these types of things the issue does not appear to be other teams lowballing the Sox, its that Hahn's asking price is unrealistic. There is no indication at all that we got that offer for Q. In fact the only report was that the Astros had turned down a MUCH small offer for Q. All indications are that Pittsburgh has been unwilling to include both Bell and Meadows. I have not seen any report at all on what Atlanta would be willing to offer. The only thing I have seen from the Yankees is that they don't want to offer Frazier or Torres.

QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Jan 18, 2017 -> 01:08 PM) If Quintana turns in a 4+ ERA it will still do serious damage to his stock no matter what his FIP or WAR winds up being. What is a bigger if, Q having a bad enough year to significantly impact his trade value, or a subpar basket of prospects not making an impact in the future? Even after a really bad year with an era near 5, Jeff Samardjiza signed a contract for double what Q is owed. If I am betting on an outcome, I am much more willing to bet that Q is the same pitcher that he has always been, versus a basket of prospects without a top notch position player helping us in the future to a significant extent.

QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Jan 18, 2017 -> 01:05 PM) You understand what it will do to Jose Quintana's performance if the Sox defense behind him actually manages to get worse? I think that change alone almost eliminates any reasonable hope that Quintana could raise his stock by turning in an epic 2017 performance. Advanced statistics exist for a reason.