southsider2k5

QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 02:25 PM) Right, there's risk in waiting for the Pirates as well. Even if everything stays pretty much the same and the Pirates wait until July 31 to ultimately include Meadows they just let Jose Quintana keep being Jose Quintana for 130 innings on the last-place White Sox while they could've had him pitching in Pittsburgh and gotten all that value all along. Also, I know nobody wants to think this way yet, but if the White Sox dont trade Jose Quintana because nobody offered them a stronger return than they got for Sale the thought of this "rebuild" being nothing more than a cleaning out of last springs troublemakers will be hard to deny. Only if you have your head buried in the sand. They have been trying to trade everything in sight. Who is gone already is just who had the best markets, not who they didn't like most.

QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 02:38 PM) Really? That's the worst case scenario? Worst case scenario for me is he blows his arm out in the WBC and the Sox get nothing. Worst case scenario is you trade him and the guys who get for him are garbage. Then you have lost the asset and you got nothing for it. Even if he has an injury, you control him for four years at super cheap rate. If he is out a year, he still has three years of value left.

QUOTE (illinilaw08 @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 02:23 PM) Here's the risk: (1) There are a finite number of teams with the headliners and depth of prospects necessary to get a deal done for Q; (2) Buyers at the deadline, generally speaking, are bolstering their team for that particular stretch run. So if the Astros or the Pirates have a bad first half, they probably wait for the next year's FA market to bolster rotations. (3) We take Q's consistency as a given. But if he falls off - even in the slightest - that could lead to a substantial reduction in Q's value. Q's value is based on his uncanny ability to be consistently very, very good. There's less of a market for that than there is for the front end starter with pure stuff. (4) Right now, if a team wants a frontline starter, they have to go to the Sox for Q or the Rays for Archer (whose price tag is astronomical). At the deadline, there's a good chance that the supply on the market increases, thereby potentially reducing the return for Q. Bottom line - the Sox need to maximize the return on Q, and I tend to think they are doing the right thing at the moment, holding out for Meadows. But there's risk leaving a package of (for example) Glasnow/Keller/Newman/Diaz on the table because you want the headliner to be Meadows. All of those things can be done in reverse too. 1. That won't change at the deadline 2. Even if those two teams aren't in it, there will be other teams who are. Odds are pretty high that at least one of those teams will need a #1 or #2 starter if they want to win. 3. It is a LOT more likely that prospects we get for Q will flop, no matter who those prospects are, or when we get them. The most sure piece of this is Q. I am much more likely to bet on him than I am any other piece of this deal. 4. The recent deadlines have been much less teams selling than ever before because of the new wild card system. With those additional teams less and less teams are willing to say they are out of it in July and sell. That is a large reason why deadline deals have become so one sided in many occasions. Demand is outstripping supply.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 12:06 PM) She would have won if her name was Twillary Blinton or Killary Plinton. But people HATE Hillary Clinton, including many women, so here we are. Not a chance. If she isn't married to Bill Clinton, she couldn't win an election for dog catcher.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 01:23 PM) He's going to have high .OBP as well. This part is being ignored. Are pitchers in MLB going to walk a guy with no power that often? Or is the incentive going to be to go after him more because you know that odds are really high that he can't hurt you? I guess I am asking if guys with no power but high walk rates see their walk rates translate to MLB?

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 01:00 PM) You acknowledging my last sentence on your previous post two pages ago was enough that we were in agreement. Why egg on? (especially when 2B isn't a premier power position anyway) I am trying to figure out why this guy is rated so highly with those kind of prospect grades. I mean we are talking about a guy who is going to generate an older Juan Pierre's numbers offensively as the best position player in a deal, and that excites people? What am I missing here?

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 10:53 AM) Eh.. if he's playing 2B, he doesn't need to hit 20+ bombs a year since it isn't a power hitting position. Will he be an all star? Probably not, but he still can be a very productive player whose high OBP, solid contact rate and solid fielding can be essential in building a world series team. Now I will say this, he better not be the top position prospect in any deal with Q. As a second or third position player? He's fine. 30 power is 3 to 5 homers a year. His 60 hit tool supposedly translates to .280. You are pretty much describing a lesser averaged, less speedy Juan Pierre. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/scouting-ex...scouting-scale/

QUOTE (raBBit @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 11:38 AM) We have serious mental health issues in this country and who knows how that should be addressed. The fact that our government isn't taking care of our returned vets is an absolute joke and there are plenty of viable solutions there. IE, I don't fault the government for not coming up with a solution for the issue as a whole but pertaining to the vets it's absolute bulls***. Yet, still no one in politics cares, and the general public yawns.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 10:44 AM) FWIW that's the same argument Hillfolk used against Obama in 2008. He still went on to win. And as for the media coverage, you could have said the same thing about Trump's chances being portrayed as "LOL" but people still showed up. Let me put it this way. If it were Barack Obama on top of the ticket instead of Hillary Clinton, the electoral map looks like 1984.

QUOTE (KagakuOtoko @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 10:47 AM) Obama had the ultimate X factor. He was black. If HRC was black, she would have won. Yes, I'm admitting this. No chance. Obama had the ability to make people believe. Jesse Jackson couldn't pull that off in the mainstream, even without the fancy Muslim name to use as a scare device. Really that is what Hillary was missing. She had no charm. She had no mass appeal. She didn't inspire anyone. Honestly if she hadn't been married to one of the most charismatic Presidents of the last century, I really wonder if she'd have been able to win an elected office. People voting for President want to feel like this person who is taking the highest office is going to be doing great things. I don't know that I have ever met anyone who said that about Hillary Clinton. Hell even Trump inspires his base to maddening levels, which is why he won.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 10:28 AM) If Myles Garrett gets to the bears, Myles Garrett goes to the bears. The best thing the Bears can do for their secondary is build a beastly pass rush.

QUOTE (Deadpool @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 06:23 PM) He was by far the best player on the ice when I saw him play the Texas Stars. So was that an "unnatural hat trick" for Harman yesterday? Two empty netters Hopefully he gets his confidence back and steps up when he returns.

Leave it to Derrick Rose to not know how to take a sick day.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 10:53 AM) Eh.. if he's playing 2B, he doesn't need to hit 20+ bombs a year since it isn't a power hitting position. Will he be an all star? Probably not, but he still can be a very productive player whose high OBP, solid contact rate and solid fielding can be essential in building a world series team.Now I will say this, he better not be the top position prospect in any deal wit h Q. As a second or third position player? He's fine. Yeah, this is what I am saying. We blew the deal if he is the top position player.

QUOTE (credezcrew24 @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 05:39 AM) Can anyone explain to me how Kevin Maitan who some claim to be a "Once in a Generation Talent" signed for 4.25 million while Moncada signed for 31.5 million the year before? Furthermore, highly hyped Cuban prospects such as Yadier Alvarez signed for (16 million) and Lazarito (3 Million) I would be very surprised to see Luis Robert sign for over 3 million due to the fact that I assume teams have already spent a good portion of there allocated money for international free agents. I may be in the minority and having no inside information I could certainly be horribly off base, but my initial observation is that the White Sox can offer a competitive amount of money without going over the spending limit and incurring penalties. There is a difference between the Cubans and Latin Americans in general when it comes to international signings. Typically the Cuban players are better exposed and have much actual playing experience, while the LA kids are essentially kept on lockdown and pretty much just taught to show off for their trainers showcases. The Cuban kids are a clearer commodity, which allows them to be a better bet than their LA counterparts, even at a similar age.

QUOTE (Buehrlesque @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 10:17 AM) Do we know that Hahn is demanding both? I would guess one of the two as a headliner is good enough. The report from Cashman yesterday was that he was looking for 3 Elite prospect, and speculation that was that Torres/Frazier was their starting point.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 08:22 AM) Likely we are looking at something along the lines of: Glasnow/Newman/Keller or Martes/Tucker/Paulino as the two offers on the table Sox are rejecting both of those. Neither the Pirates or Astros seem to want to include more at this time to beat the others offer, and both are a ways of from working out. If those are really the offers, I go into 2017 with Quintana on my roster.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 09:41 PM) Newman has basically no power. I hadn't really looked up his breakdown until this. The fact that he has no power tool at all is a big red flag to me. Is he a guy that is going to hit .330 to make up for it? Is he Simmons in the field? If not, I have totally lost interest in him, especially if he is to be the top position player in the deal.

QUOTE (Brian @ Jan 10, 2017 -> 09:15 AM) I don't see Clinton sulking or crying at all. She's handled losing better than Trump has handled winning and even has the respect to show up at the inauguration. I'm not a fan of hers but I'll give her credit. Well you could argue that disappearing from view in a time when the Dems really could have used some leadership post-election is sulking, but in general, it is better than what Trump has done since the election.

QUOTE (Nokona @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 10:37 PM) Really? Because Benintendi was apparently on the table for Sale in July. I haven't seen this said. Do you have a link?

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 04:28 PM) Actually, 65 innings was in 2015. He only threw about 56 last season (2016). So yeah not very close at all. 2+ at best. I wouldn't be shocked to see a cup of coffee in 2018 assuming everything goes right, but mid to late 2019 seems much more reasonable with the work load needed, and the guys in front of him.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 03:52 PM) which then requires paying property tax :V edit: especially in western states, water and mineral rights don't necessarily come with land rights basically short of living homeless and cashless, you're not going to be able to avoid paying taxes if you don't want to. That said, ultimately I get the distinction ss2k5 sees there even I don't personally think it's a big deal. I can't think of another thing where essentially being alive is enough where they force you to purchase a good or service. Even where the options suck if you don't, you still have the option of not doing it. I know a lot of people don't see that as important, but there is a line there and hate to see it crossed. Much like the movement in lines from imminent domain from public good meaning something like a school or interstate, to a mini shopping center being OK now. Personal freedoms should be nearly impossible to take away, and this is a s***ty one.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 03:41 PM) Jacob or Trea? Cause maybe we trade Q to the Nats and pitch Trea Turner. I stick by my "something crazy happened" if Trea Turner is playing for us.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 03:24 PM) Seat belt laws? There is a line here that was crossed. You don't HAVE to drive a car, if you don't want to wear a seatbelt. You don't HAVE to work if you don't want to pay taxes. Don't want health insurance? Too bad. It is really scary to cross that line.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 03:28 PM) Lopez? If Turner is in our rotation in 2018, something really crazy happened.