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QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Jan 3, 2017 -> 12:41 PM) Well you get an .800 OPS switch hitter who may not be a good LFer but is hardly the worst LFer in the biz. And its one year of $15m, not 3 years of $45m. If you got a team that's really going for it that's a guy you could use. Gets on base, has some power, can play the OF...he's a step above the power bats with low OBP's and no position. They aren't getting a T100 prospect for him. Either a couple T250 guys in the low minors or an org guy blocked for the forseeable future. Those aren't bad returns...adding a new name to the Sox T30 isn't a waste of time. Which team has a need and $15 million they are willing to spend?

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jan 3, 2017 -> 12:36 PM) White Sox reportedly interested in Everth Cabrera according to twitter. I can't tweet right now. Huh, I am not seeing anything as of yet.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 3, 2017 -> 12:08 PM) That was after Rondo said the same thing. They aren't athletic and they can't shoot 3's. How can that win? They are about to enter a stretch where they play good teams. It will be interesting to see what happens. If they can stay around .500, I would think nothing changes. If they tank, it would force them to do something. Right now that something seems to be releasing Rondo, which would be lame if that was the only response. The odd thing about them is that they have beaten some really good teams, so there is SOMETHING there. To me it feels like the Coach isn't getting through to the team because they seem to play hard when they feel like it.

QUOTE (beautox @ Jan 3, 2017 -> 12:15 PM) All of Melky's value is tied right into contract, if the sox ate all 15m of it then sure i could see them getting a back half 80-100 prospect for him or a recent draftee that lost some of their shine similar to say Dillon Tate, but outside of that if the sox put him on waivers and he was claimed and JR didn't want to foot the bill he would be gone with no hassle. Even throwing out the likelihood for the Sox to pick up all $15 million due being near zero, I still don't see a top 100 prospect being the return for Melky. That seems a touch high.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jan 3, 2017 -> 12:23 PM) Is this the first time we've seen for certain that this is who we want? Or do you think he's just assuming. It is the most definitive report of who we want that I can remember.

Jon Morosi ‏@jonmorosi 59s60 seconds ago #Tigers optimistic about Jordan Zimmermann after injury-plagued 2nd half; throwing at 180 feet, pain free, on track for spring training.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jan 3, 2017 -> 11:56 AM) Phil Rogers ‏@philgrogers 28m28 minutes ago Idle thought: Could @whitesox land switch-hitting prodigy Josh Bell & Tyler Glasnow from Pirates in deal for Quintana & Todd Frazier? Phil Rogers ‏@philgrogers 26m26 minutes ago @whitesox want Austin Meadows in Jose Quintana deal but Josh Bell also fits the need for young hitters w/big upside. Glad to see they are pushing for Meadows. That is the type of headliner they need.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jan 3, 2017 -> 11:56 AM) Pretty generic rumor. Prospect or two could is pretty vague. I expect the Sox would want one top 100 type guy for Frazier, plus another flyer. Seeing as he didn't specify a "top" prospect in any way, shape, or form, I don't read it that way.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jan 3, 2017 -> 11:53 AM) What rumor? http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlb-hot-...n-todd-frazier/

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jan 3, 2017 -> 11:27 AM) Not showing up for any important game is a big deal. The gameplan was s*** and its already cost one coach his job with another to follow. Same coaches had a brain fart that kept OSU out of the playoff last year when they were probably a team that could have done well. Still says nothing about them belonging as their resume already proved they did. So all of that is true, but Penn State couldn't have done better? That doesn't really make sense.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jan 3, 2017 -> 11:22 AM) Maybe "catch lightning in a bottle" is the better phrase to use. But basically just see how things play out April-June, and then reassess. I don't think there is a good chance of that team being within 5 games of .500 in mid June, but crazier things have happened. At that point, you can still trade Melky / Frazier / Lawrie. If the offers suck now, there is a chance that their value increases by June when teams are desperate for infielders with good (Frazier) and average (Lawrie) bats. By June, Melky's commitment is a much more palatable ~$8M. Maybe he can be moved for a decent piece at that point. Trading them now for garbage that will never help the Sox doesn't do much for me. It's not like the Sox have a wealth of ML ready talent to take their spots outside of Saladino, who I still expect to get a good chunk of at bats as the super sub. Adding two of Colby Rasmus, Michael Sanders, Gregor Blanco, Rajai Davis, and Drew Stubbs would be cheap. One of Chris Carter, Ryan Howard, Adam Lind, Brandon Moss, Mike Napoli to DH. And add a Ryan Hanigan type to split the catching. None of those guys will be all that expensive. All will be on one year deals. If the Sox are way out of things in June (which they likely will be), they'll likely be trade bait and teams love short term commitments to useful players. I am not saying this is 100% the right way to go, but it is what I expect barring a Quintana trade, and I am OK with it. The team will actually be half ways decent to watch, and the team will be mostly dismantled in June and July when teams are desperate for upgrades. I think it makes a lot of sense in a market that has not developed for our short term bats. I just don't see the point in trading Quintana for the best offer right now, if the best offer isn't sufficient to the Sox. I don't think his value is going to decrease between now and a year from now. At some point, there is diminishing returns - I think saw that to some degree in the Sale trade, and I think you'd definitely see that in a Q trade. If someone bowls you over, by all means take the deal. But I think Rick is still in that mode. If the Q domino falls, then my thinking changes. At that point, the Sox pitching staff goes from OK to terrible, and at that point you may as well just take what you can get for Frazier, Melky and Lawrie before Opening Day. I don't like the idea, but I do think it is what they will do.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jan 3, 2017 -> 11:18 AM) How do you know what is being offered? You saw what the Nationals offered for Cutch, not saying we can get that deal, but I think we can get a couple players in the next tier of a Robles. The rumor was just out the end of last week of what the Sox were looking for, and it wasn't much. The fact that he is still here means they aren't even getting that much in the way of offers.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jan 3, 2017 -> 11:15 AM) Completely agree. Dude had a low average, but brings big power and reliable defense at a key position. We can get something good for Todd Frazier. The reality of what is being offered doesn't support that.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jan 3, 2017 -> 11:08 AM) Yeah they played a s*** game where everything went wrong. They play again and they probably don't do worse. Not sure what that proves though other than teams sometimes don't show up. Not showing up for the college playoff is kind of a big deal.

QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Jan 3, 2017 -> 11:05 AM) Melky is actually a pretty good player that a lot of teams that fancy themselves contenders could really use. Who is going to give something up for the right to pay Melky Cabrera $15 million to play for them next year?

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jan 3, 2017 -> 10:44 AM) As things currently stand, I think some of you guys are going to be disappointed with how the Sox play this. The offseason still has a long way to go. There are still a bunch of a FA available, which makes guys like Frazier / Melky / Lawrie more difficult to move. Perhaps once the FA pool continues to dwindle, we'll see a market develop for those guys, and they're ultimately moved. But if Frazier, Melky, Lawrie, Abreu and Quintana are on the team in April, I fully expect the Sox to try to compete. Stop gap OF, DH and C signed. Still plenty of options for the first two. Lawrie plays everyday at 2B until he gets hurt or Moncada pushes him to bench. Saladino (if healthy) is the super sub. The young arms come up in June. Sox to reassess in late June, and move the impending FAs at that point if they're out of the race. Honestly, at this point, that is what I expect. I think it some point they take last bids on Q, and trade him for the best offer. They have gone really far down the trade path with him, especially in public, for him to come back now. Even if they go into the season with a lot of those players, I don't see them adding to them in any significant way. I fully expect Abreu and Lawrie to be on the opening day roster. Q I think there is about 10% chance. Frazier is not much higher, though I see a disappointing return to move him. Melky I think will be on the roster, as no one will really want him. Call it a 75% chance at return.

MLB Trade Rumors ‏@mlbtraderumors 12m12 minutes ago Giants Interested In Jae-Gyun Hwang http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/01/gian...gyun-hwang.html …

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jan 3, 2017 -> 08:41 AM) Washington got in instead of PSU since OSUs resume was better than both. But seriously hot take from watching them lose the the ninth ranked team. That amazing PSU offense couldn't even generate 250 yards against the buckeyes. Maybe watch a game next year. After watching OSU get slapped around like a red-headed step child, it is hard to picture PSU doing worse.

QUOTE (Al Lopez's Ghost @ Jan 3, 2017 -> 10:35 AM) Tyler Saladin is not going to be a major contributor. As I said earlier, even if Tyler Saladino turns into a starter for this version of the Chicago White Sox, he will be the type of starter that you are always looking to improve upon. He definitely won't be the type of starter that playoff teams are looking to trade for. He's Conor Gillaspie with a better glove at 3B.

QUOTE (KagakuOtoko @ Jan 3, 2017 -> 10:24 AM) Of course it goes both ways, partisans gonna partisan of course. I'm just shocked that republicans would be rallying behind a scumbag like Putin when their hero RR brought down the whole caboose. It really isn't though. We have seen the Dems rally behind winners like Fidel Castro, Che Guerva, and Iran in recent years. The whole Machiavelli thing is just disgusting though. But that is the overly simplisitic political system we have apparently put into place now.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 3, 2017 -> 10:20 AM) That's not a question. Todd Frazier will get traded, and his market isn't much different now than deadline. And if he gets traded, that changes the equation.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 3, 2017 -> 10:19 AM) We are going to give lots of playing time to people who may not be around in a few years. But you do that because sometimes players surprise you, see Odubel Herrera. Saladino could well be a great bench bat we use across three positions in 3 years, and that has value too. That would mean we don't have to give players like bonifacio time. Sure. And what better way to see if Saladino can be a utility player, than to play him as a utility player?

QUOTE (shipps @ Jan 3, 2017 -> 10:06 AM) If Saladino comes out and rakes out of his mind for the first couple months and we are able to flip him for a prospect than great. Thats the best part of knowing you are in a rebuild. You dont have to over think everything. You let the guys go out there and play. Whoever plays the best you let them go out there and play the majority of the time and if they are a veteran or a player that you know is not part of your future you will trade them after they play well or they are sub par and will eventually be pushed out by a better player. Its simple. The question is getting players that will be on your next playoff team. If they aren't players that will be on that team, the next thing you worry about is valuation. The next question is who is more likely to put up big numbers, Tyler Saladino or Todd Frazier to turn into a trade that will next you something? The answer to that question is who you will play.

Jay Zawaski ‏@JayZawaski670 37m37 minutes ago Tyler Motte has been sent to Rockford. No corresponding move, so that could mean Hossa is ready to return.

Kopech in the weightroom. https://twitter.com/MichaelKopech5/status/816013381652070401