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CSN Chicago ‏@CSNChicago 1h1 hour ago Corey Crawford hoping to return to Blackhawks Friday - http://bit.ly/2gZciVN @TramyersCSN

Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeyman 59m59 minutes ago Oswaldo Arcia agrees to deal with d-backs. solid lefty bat.

QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Dec 20, 2016 -> 03:07 PM) How many of these guys have to bust before Sox fans will learn that that type of player just does not develop in the White Sox farm system? If the White Sox system isn't going to develop position players then undertaking a rebuild was the absolute stupidest thing they could have done.

Chris Cotillo ‏@ChrisCotillo 22m22 minutes ago Padres made another rotation move, re-signing Clayton Richard to a 1-year deal

Jon Heyman ‏@JonHeyman 6m6 minutes ago Padres have talked to Jake Peavy about a possible return. Great idea!

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 20, 2016 -> 01:01 PM) Until proven otherwise, 2018 seems like the year the Yankees would like to be "under" the luxury tax level if they're ever going to do so. I'm not sure if they're serious about actually doing that, but even with Chapman under contract they have a bunch of space available next offseason without hitting that line. The motivation for going for Quintana now would be: Give team a chance in 2017 and 2018 Do so without adding a large payroll boost in 2018 where new payroll would still be hit by the tax penalty Do so without removing team's payroll flexibility in 2018 when they want to start playing the FA market but without crossing the tax line. They'd be doing this because they'd think they have a shot at the Wild Card in 2017, and I'm not sure they'd be wrong based on their 2016 experience. They'd be grabbing Quintana specifically because he could help them make a run at that without damaging what they need to do to make Harper affordable. As of today, the Yankees are right at the estimated payroll luxury tax line for 2017. If they shuffled dollars around right way, they will be under it for this next season. http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/NY...-salaries.shtml

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Dec 20, 2016 -> 12:38 PM) Interestingly, at this particular Yankees fans' blog/website, the author of this article thinks the fair package for someone of Quintana's caliber would be "two of Jorge Mateo, Clint Frazier, Blake Rutherford, and Gleyber Torres; one of James Kaprielian, Aaron Judge, Justus Sheffield, and someone lower like Tyler Wade, Dustin Fowler, or Domingo Acevedo." He goes onto warn the Yankee fans about "prospect hugging", and does a rather credible job of describing what a great pitcher Q is. Thoughtful and fair analysis, I think! http://www.pinstripealley.com/2016/12/20/1...ford-sale-eaton This is almost exactly how I saw a package coming together, though I phrased it as being one of the SS's and one of the OF's at the top of the list to start a deal.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 20, 2016 -> 12:21 PM) http://riveraveblues.com/2016/12/morosi-ya...uintana-148274/ Nice take from a Yankees perspective. That is a solid read. From a personal standpoint, I keep hearing about the Yankees farm system. To me, it seems like the least likely scenario possible that the Yankees patiently wait for their farm system to start paying dividends. To me, the reason the Yankees have a farm system is so that they can use them to get the players they want from other teams. I have thought that was the Yankees plan as soon as they started trading just their middle relievers. I could be wrong, but this is what I think, and if you view this through that lens, the Yankees being interested in Q makes a hell of a lot of sense.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 20, 2016 -> 11:33 AM) Quintana for four seasons is more valuable than 2 1/2 seasons of Andrew Miller, which received Frazier + Sheffield + two more prospects If they insist on keeping one or Frazier or Torres, I'd want Torres +++ and the rest must be very high quality Torres + Rutherford + Adams + Montgomery + Sands Minimum required = Two of Torres/Frazier/Rutherford + two more #10-30 organizational prospects Value only goes so far. There is a premium for a pitcher viewed as an ace that Jose Quintana will not return. If that return had been out there, he'd already be gone.

QUOTE (ozzfest @ Dec 20, 2016 -> 10:46 AM) I'm starting to think this rebuild is BS. They are just trading the guys that KW didn't get along with (Sale and Eaton) and Robertson (i dont believe Robertson had an issue w management, but i still think they will trade him). This is classic Reinsdorf. Nothing new. More of the same. They aren't going to trade Quintana, Frazier, Melky, Abreu etc... They are branding this as a rebuild so that fans get sucked in. But this is not a change in organizational philosophy. This is just Reinsdorf allowing his life tenured executive(s) to get rid of players they don't get along with. Some people really will believe anything.

QUOTE (Username @ Dec 20, 2016 -> 10:33 AM) JP Morosi just went on MLB network and said the Yankees interest is "definitely serious" and Q would be a future piece as well, which makes it less painful for the Yankees to unload top prospects. That is next level stuff. Interesting.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Dec 19, 2016 -> 08:23 PM) All that signing this guy will do is crowd out the necessary and important auditions of younger players. Some of these young players will be part of the next good Sox team and some won't. It's time to find out about the Coats, et al. I am going to go out on a limb and say that not a single player that has been talked about as an OF starting next season will be on the White Sox next playoff roster. Tilson? Coats? May? Engel? No. There is a better chance of getting a reclamation that actually works out for us, and we trade him for a player that can be a contributor, than there is of those guys being good.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 19, 2016 -> 03:01 PM) Yeah but at least that was the national title game. Not the Sun Bowl. I could care less. It is that NFL contract that is the winning powerball ticket. The players don't get a damned thing from winning a national title. If they feel like sitting out to protect themselves, more power to them.

QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Dec 19, 2016 -> 02:50 PM) JOHN DANKS! Yea I really am not a fan of how Houston does business. Sox have to do what's best for the Sox but to see Jose Quintana playing an instrumental role on a Luhnow team winning a World Series would suck. Danks was a couple of years further down the road when he got his deal. I don't think he gave up any of his pre-abr years.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 19, 2016 -> 02:48 PM) Daniel Hudson signs with Pirates, according to Jeff Passan. I really like that fit for Hudson.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 19, 2016 -> 02:38 PM) Do you mean McGahee? I don't remember anything happening to Gore Ah, yes. That was it. ACL, MCL, PCL all on the same play.

QUOTE (Brian @ Dec 19, 2016 -> 11:47 AM) Fournette and McCaffery skipping their bowl games and getting roasted on twitter by people who sit on their couches and watch games. This will become the norm we should expect. Especially with the playoff system. They want to be healthy for NFL prep. I don't blame them. Remember the Gore incident, I don't blame them at all. What incentive do they have to help their college? Remember they aren't sharing any of that wealth from the bowl games with them. From a player perspective, I totally get this.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 19, 2016 -> 02:13 PM) I mean, how about the pressure of constantly only being provided 1-2 runs of support every night out while trying to get your team a win? Yeah, the best place to start when explaining Q is right there. The dude is always near last in terms of run support in all of baseball. The guy effectively pitches a playoff baseball game every time he goes out because he knows if he gives up more than 3 runs, the odds have been incredibly high that he will lose. Has it cracked him? No. He just keeps getting better.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 19, 2016 -> 02:03 PM) This was actually discussed on effectively wild today. Sox struck well. For Sale, he had injury uncertainty. Whereas Q/Eaton, Sox offered reasonable deals so early they had not been established yet. It pays out their pre arb years and gave modest raises in arb years in exchange for additional time. It's attractive regardless of what the team does because you get certainty for players that saw betting on themselves as risky. But, if this ends, I bet it ends because free agent deals become so absurdly huge that betting on yourself is just too lobsided that you have to. There are examples for the other side of this, such as Singelton from Houston, and our deal with Sergio Santos

QUOTE (Deadpool @ Dec 19, 2016 -> 02:06 PM) Didn't you see? He's a backup quarterback... ...except he plays ...and isn't bad I mean I get what I am reading. But it makes zero sense to me. It is just so simplistic in the statement, that I would hope there is some amount of depth or logic to the point. This really seems to be going down the road of wins and losses, and I really hope that isn't it, because that falls into just an indefensible category in the 21st century.

QUOTE (BRIRO2017 @ Dec 19, 2016 -> 02:00 PM) He's not an ace. Why?

The Yankees are always an interesting case. I know they are saying one thing, but the other side is that there is always a ton of outside pressure on this team to compete and compete now. The Red Sox going out and getting Chris Sale, plus the fact the Yankees have played exactly one playoff game in the last four years only multiplies that. Quintana makes a ton of sense for them, as they need starting pitching badly, and he has such a small salary for the next four years, it allows the Yankees to compete while not destroying their luxury tax space. As of today they would be under the mark for 2017, which is a big consideration. They can add Q, and not endanger that.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 19, 2016 -> 01:42 PM) We might have the worst bullpen of all time if we traded Jones and Robertson haha Of all of the things that matter during a rebuild, a bullpen is dead last.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 19, 2016 -> 11:20 AM) The team has made strides, but there are a lot of missing parts still. I suppose if healthy, they could be a 10 win team if everything went right (and playing a last place schedule), but I think they have major gaps in the secondary and obviously major questionmarks offensively (LT QB is a huge mark). Defense is trending upwards, but we still have very few playmakers (that said, Floyd looks like a beast, which is fantastic). There are a lot of parts missing. Add some play makers in key spots at the top, and you have a decent squad. This year has been about evaluating depth. We have found some on defense, and found backs on offense. Now you use the draft and cap room to build the top of the roster.