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QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Nov 11, 2016 -> 02:13 PM) http://edition.cnn.com/election/results Maybe I am misunderstanding the chart, but the difference looks to be 0.3%. CNN has 47.7 to 47.4.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 11, 2016 -> 12:50 PM) Euro defense is swell Defense is the one thing that will kill this team. Having watched a couple of weeks of the group, I think they will make the playoffs based off of talent, but be an easy first round out for two reasons. 1. They don't play defense 2. They don't respond well to teams that defend well.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Nov 11, 2016 -> 02:41 PM) Bryan Bickell diagnosed with multiple sclerosis. Oh wow. How terrible for the guy.

QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 11, 2016 -> 11:57 AM) Reminder - the person that said it is the president elect. The other people you are talking about will not be in the democratic leadership. Can you tell me that you are confident that if a terrorist attack, even minor, happens on US soil when Trump is president we will see a presidential response? Because if not the fear was justified. The people in the electoral college aren't in partisan leadership? Huh, that is new to me.

QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 11, 2016 -> 11:56 AM) At some point the Republicans can take responsibility for themselves for electing this completely unqualified man who campaigned on punishing Americans. The party of personal responsibility. Honestly, f*** the Republicans. But that doesn't really fit the meme's, so whatever.

QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 11, 2016 -> 11:51 AM) "Same People". Glad to know we've established that people on your facebook feed have the same power of their opinions as the President elect. Again, we can go around and around in circles with who did what, who said what, etc. At the end of the day, this is the country it produces. If you want to take it a step further, the party who spent forever campaigning against the politics of fear, just spent an entire election cycle campaigning on fear, and how we have a scared country. Trump took advantage of fear from the other side to exploit it to his advantage. This has gone great so far, maybe next time we can do it again!

QUOTE (CrimsonWeltall @ Nov 11, 2016 -> 11:44 AM) Mark Cuban. No, I'm not joking. - Not a politician, not in the establishment, even fewer glaring political ties than Trump - Already has name recognition - Personable - "Tells it like it is", can be fiery and rile up a crowd - Came from a working class family to become rich, The American Dream - Significantly smarter than Trump, can beat him in debates - Liberal enough -particularly socially- not to turn off Democratic base - Doesn't have any horrible baggage/scandals that I know of - White male (let's be honest, it helps) Cuban will have a lot of the same issues that Trump has. Temperament and not getting his way will be huge problems, along with being extremely opinionated in areas that will anger people.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 11, 2016 -> 10:37 AM) Trump literally questioned the same process, the same election results and called for protest when Obama was elected. Its not entirely crazy that the same would happen to him. And now the same people who tried to force Trump to accept the election no matter what are talking about changing electoral votes and protesting in the street. Again, see how unproductive the revenge thing is?

QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Nov 11, 2016 -> 10:21 AM) Absolutely. The neighborhood I live in is perfect example of that. Mt. Greenwood was the only ward in Chicago to go for Trump and they voted for him in huge numbers. Mt. Greenwood is prominently made of up of union workers and public sector union workers(fireman, police, teachers). They voted against their own economic interests because they hate minorities and when I say that I mean it. They HATE minorities. The Democratic party may never win over people like, but there is people they lost and they can get those people back. The working poor. Trump will not fix their problems and when he fails them, the democratic party needs to be there. Not sitting on the coasts calling them dumb hillbillies. That only insures you lose again in 2020. People in both parties vote against their own best interests all of the time. Living in the steel belt, I have seen the unions endorse candidate after candidate who pledged to destroy coal, punish polluters, raise environmental standards, and open up free trade to allow cheaper steel from all over the rest of the world. None of those things are in a steel workers best interests. Yet, the overwhelmingly voted for Clinton, Obama, Gore, etc.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 11, 2016 -> 10:37 AM) Trump literally questioned the same process, the same election results and called for protest when Obama was elected. Its not entirely crazy that the same would happen to him. If we are going to play that sort of a game as a country, the other side needs to shut up and accept the mandate of the election, right? See how unproductive that is?

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Nov 11, 2016 -> 09:34 AM) Source: Bartolo Colon is one year, $12.5 million with #Braves. Pending a physical. https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/797098875190386688 If this pretty high amount for 43 yr old. Might be setting a high bar for free agent pitchers this year Chris Sale is set to make $500k LESS than Bartolo Colon.

QUOTE (Brian @ Nov 11, 2016 -> 08:51 AM) It's too bad some people didn't have this "unity" and "we need to come together stuff 8 years, but do now. It is just as frustrating to have spent a month on the "accepting the election" question, and then see articles about things like changing electoral votes even being a thing. People. All people, need to take a step back. Personally, I would love to see Trump keep the tone of his victory speech, and his post_Obama talks, and talk about how there is no place in this country for hate. While I didn't want him to win, he won, so now is the time to lead. The incidents of hate and violence happening from both sides need to stop.

QUOTE (winninguglyin83 @ Nov 10, 2016 -> 09:54 PM) either the 2016 draft was great or the system was worse than I thought. To have five of top 10 picked last June is revealing Also so far it appears that the revamped efforts in Latin America isn't producing much. Another bad sign. QUOTE (MnSoxFan @ Nov 11, 2016 -> 07:06 AM) Actually I am very disappointed in our Latin America work. I thought Paddy would help sooner and now I am wondering if he will at all. Nunez is about it, and he is not a stud. When you are signing freshly minted 16 year olds out of Latin America you have to put them out of your minds for 4 to 5 years. Not only are they essentially sophomores in HS, they are sophomores who have played next to zero organized baseball. They are trained for workouts, not games. If you compare them to 18 year olds coming out of the US or Japan, for example, you are looking at kids who might have been playing organized and competitive baseball for a decade, or more. These kids have to be totally retrained from the ground up.

Very nice work!

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Nov 11, 2016 -> 06:54 AM) To be fair, they also reached out to Hillary's camp. One thing I picked up from the 16 in 16 series from PBS is that this is hardly new. Gary Hart held extensive conversations with the Soviet Union during this campaign for President in 1984, and had plans to use those negotiations down the road.

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Nov 10, 2016 -> 09:54 PM) Some guy at work convinced me for about 5 minutes today at work that the Sox traded Frazier straight up for Soler, and I wasn't sure how to feel about it. Obviously the Cubs don't need Frazier, but I couldn't figure out if that would be a good trade for us or not, regardless of the Cubs need for him or not. Soler is Avi Garcia in training.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 10, 2016 -> 07:56 PM) I don't expect each trade to go perfectly, which is why making more trades hedges you risk. Let's say hypothetically Sale, Quintana, Eaton, & Jones can all land four prospects. Let's assume on average 50% of prospects acquired via trade bust. Trade all four guys and you have a decent chance of ending up with 8 productive players across the deals. But only trade one guy and you could realistically end up with anything from four hits to four misses. The more trades we make, the less randomness comes into play. So again, who would you trade is this rebuild was up to you? IMO, you pretty much have to move three of Sale, Quintana, Eaton, & Jones. Those are our big four trade chips and the only ones who will land elite prospects. If you don't move enough of them, then all we're doing is a half-ass rebuild and I'm not sure we get better in the long-run. As for Eaton specifically, I'm not sure you'll get fair value for him. And quite frankly, I'm not sure you need it. Even if the rebuild goes well, you're talking about 2 or 3 seasons before we are competitive. So if we hold onto Eaton, we're throwing away two or three years of his surplus value. There is a point in negotiations where maybe you don't quite get fair value, but that you get enough in return that you still feel it's the better move long-term. And let's not ignore the fact that Eaton is at peak value right now, so there is a bit more incentive in moving him now. Hedging involves taking on less risk, not more. The ultimate hedge would be established and cheap young star players.

QUOTE (Boogua @ Nov 10, 2016 -> 06:59 PM) It sounds like Kansas is in on Tilmon too. Having seen the kid, and personally sitting 10 seats from Roy Williams the night he was at LaLumiere to offer him a scholarship, this is the type of school I fully expected the kid to land at.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 10, 2016 -> 06:03 PM) I think you'd see an increase in attendance as well due to some renewed excitement in the ball club. Additionally, you might be able to apply some additional funds in competitive years resulting from savings from years where you cut payroll and were non-competitive but generated surplus revenues due to revenue sharing and other streams. Yeah, Sox fans aren't the show up for rebuilding types. They aren't the show up for an OK team type, heck they aren't even the show up for a winning team type.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 10, 2016 -> 04:46 PM) How much do you think they will be different than they are now? I am betting on something like a 20 to 30% fall off, at least. The last time we did this we saw a 25% falloff from a much lower attendance number.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 10, 2016 -> 04:40 PM) How? Because we replaced all of the current veterans making millions of dollars with guys making hundreds of thousands? This is literally backassward logic. The ENTIRE reason you rebuild is to lower the costs of your roster enough so that you have the flexibility to spend on the guys you need to fill holes. You overestimate the revenues that will be left after said sell off.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Nov 10, 2016 -> 02:49 PM) If you are rebuilding, no real good reason to keep him. Trade him for a lottery ticket and figure out if Sanchez is ever going to be an everyday player. Theres also a decent chance that they get a quality SS back in one of their rebuilding deals, and that could displace Anderson. If the team is rebuilding I have no problem running out: SS Anderson 3B Saladino DH Garcia RF Liriano 1B Davidson 2B Sanchez LF Coats C Navarez CF Tilson The team won't win a ton, but you can figure which guys are going to be long term pieces and which are never going to amount to anything. I am sure at least 3 of those guys will be displaced by players coming back in trades and they probably won't trade all of their vets. If you are going to be bad, be really bad and get some extra bonus money in the draft. If you are rebuilding, you stand to gain more from a rebound than you do dumping him now. he isn't even costing you that much.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Nov 10, 2016 -> 03:16 PM) Well if we traded Sale, Quintana, Jones, Robertson, Frazier, Cabrera, and Abreu- so basically went all out, we'd get 12-20 prospects in total. Odds are some end up as busts, but we're getting so many, we can afford it. The problem is we won't be able to afford to fill holes.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 10, 2016 -> 01:43 PM) I think Dan Jennings goes first. Everyone needs left-handed relievers and his cost should be fairly reasonable. That is a great line of thought.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 10, 2016 -> 01:33 PM) Why do you think that? It has been mentioned a couple of times before, but Frazier doesn't really want to leave from the sounds of it either. He wanted to extend in Cincy even with their rebuild.