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QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Apr 29, 2016 -> 09:26 AM) With this defense is a call to MB an option........ Knowing Mark, I just get the feeling he is done. I can't see him wanting to put in all of the work to get back into shape to pitch for a few months. If he had wanted to pitch this year, he would have done so.

Todd Frazier

QUOTE (bmags @ Apr 29, 2016 -> 09:11 AM) Yeah just a sad situation. I hope we do a DL stint first. I really don't think we are improving with any of our options. Definitely one egg short right now. That's just it. Everyone wants a change, but we are just swapping one poo filled diaper for another. I honestly think our next big move will be for a pitcher, not a hitter.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Apr 29, 2016 -> 08:40 AM) Yeah, there are contracts that are bad when they are signed (Pablo Sandoval with Boston) and then there are contracts and moves which are good when they are made but then become bad through unfortunate circumstances and that is the case with Danks. He was a really good pitcher before the injury that signed a deal that was probably below market to stay with the Sox long term. Then of course he had the shoulder injury and has been terrible since. The tough part is that he has also been the ideal teammate. He's never tried to blame anyone else for his problems. He's never pouted or thrown temper tantrums. He has always taken the kids under his wing, even when they could be potentially taking his job. He wants nothing more to win and win with the White Sox. Reading those quotes from last night just tore me up inside.

I wouldn't be shocked to see a DL trip first, with a rehab stint to see if they can fix him.

QUOTE (SoxSteve @ Apr 28, 2016 -> 06:58 PM) Obviously you never heard of a 3 team trade but apparently you forgot about the Frazier deal. And one one hand you say he is not ready and hasn't been on a major league clubhouse and on the other you say we have to give up one of the big 3 to get him. Which is it? That means you think Voglebach will cost the same as Cargo or Bruce right? And apprently you think he is as valuable as Frazier seeing we would have to give up more to get him. And your a mod? And to ,the other guys post i don't have a fascination with him i just think he attainable. Man you are just going around in circles. You have an idea, but you only seem to want to attack anyone who tries to fill in all of your blanks with some common sense. Who do you actually think we would need to give up in this deal, and why do we need to do it now if it doesn't help us at all this year?

QUOTE (SoxSteve @ Apr 28, 2016 -> 05:07 PM) Because you snooze you lose. Because he is going traded sometime and and if we don't have to raid our minor leagues why not do it now. Unless you want to give up Adams, Fulmer, or Anderson when you get in a bidding war for Cargo or Bruce. And he can help now IMO. Why can't he? Unless your in love with Jerry Sands and if that's the case my apologies. Let me clue you in. Vogelbach isn't going to be free. That means we are either giving up one of the pieces you just mentioned, or a starting pitcher to get him. Who exactly do you think the Cubs are going to ask for? They are going to look for someone who can help them this year, or such a good prospect they can't pass up the deal.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Apr 28, 2016 -> 03:43 PM) What is it with these damn Baltimore trips? Two years in a row now. rain>riots

QUOTE (bmags @ Apr 28, 2016 -> 03:51 PM) Considering Jones was in line to close in 2014 before his injury, I'm gonna guess he has first stab. Add to that he is the primary set up guy too.

QUOTE (Alexeihyeess @ Apr 28, 2016 -> 04:15 PM) Go listen to 10 minutes of baseball talk on Chicago's airwaves, there is literally nothing they wont say to pat the Cubs on the back. Big picture, what do most sports talk listeners want to hear about in Chicago? I'll hang up and wait for my answer.

QUOTE (SoxSteve @ Apr 28, 2016 -> 01:36 PM) I'm not saying he can be a major leaguer. I think he can beacuae he doesnt strike out alot and gets alot of walks and looks like a professional hitter. No one knows. But again i don't want to sacrifice any of our top 3 minor leaguers for Cargo or Bruce which we probably have to do. And too the other guys comments about carrying both him and Avi on the roster. Kinda like carrying Sands and Avi. Sands is useless to me and would much rather have a left handed bat. And does anyone here really have faith in Avi? I don't but maybe I'm in the minority. Then why would be worried about trading for him now? We need guys who can help now, not in 2017 and beyond.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Apr 28, 2016 -> 01:26 PM) Do we have to use an option on Sanchez? While Sanchez has already been optioned this year, I believe that the bereavment and concussion lists don't follow the same waiver/option rules as DL and sending guys down typically. I do believe they have to be on the 40 man roster though.

This may also mean that we see a Frazier rest coming up, and Lawrie too. Also it would be my guess that Sanchez sticks around and Webb ends up going down when Robertson is back, assuming nothing crazy happens with the pitching staff.

Well, for the Robin is an idiot crowd, that explains why he pitched last night.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Apr 28, 2016 -> 12:53 PM) I'd argue that over the past few years, I learned one thing about those teams, our defense was atrocious. It had nothing to do with a defensive slump, it had to do with us having a lot of really bad defenders. The defense got a lot better as the season went on last year, even besides the player changes, guys like Eaton, Alexei, and Cabrera got better as the season went on.

QUOTE (SoxSteve @ Apr 28, 2016 -> 12:51 PM) Well if you want to see Avi and Sands at DH then i understand. If you want to give up one of our top 3 minor leaguers to get Cargo or Bruce then i understand. And you think we have to give up serious assets for a guy who hasn't seen a major league clubhouse and is ranked like 15th to 20th in their System? Wow they do have a AWESOME system Apprarently, lol. And Schwarber didnt see a major league clubhouse either and that turned out pretty good. I'm saying Voglebach is the 2nd coming but he is attainable without draining our minor leagues. What makes you know that this guy will be able to hit in a professional line up, from day one, in a pennant race? And please don't say because Schwarber did it. Nothing about those two players is the same, other than that they are Cubs that can field to save their lives.

QUOTE (SoxSteve @ Apr 28, 2016 -> 11:16 AM) Voglebach is strictly a DH and not a good fielding backup ist baseman. That's all. And I'm not saying he is the answer but he has a good OBP and power and he will come a lot cheaper than any of the other guys like Bruce or Cargo. And HE WILL BE TRADED at some point in his career to a American League team so why not now and why not us? Believe me Theo doesn't care if its the Sox or whoever he just wants the best return. I think he would be great with us and we don't have to sacrifice defense and the minor leagues to acquire him. A Voglebach- Avi lefty/ righty DH combo doesn't sound half bad. With Eaton doing a great job in right Avi really doesn't have a position and i would take Voglebach over him as DH for sure. He is also absolutely unproven in any way shape or form. He hasn't even had a single major league AB. We'd have to give up some pretty serious assets to get a guy who has never seen the inside of a major league clubhouse. If you are looking at 2017 and beyond, sure. But for 2016? We need someone a lot more proven.

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QUOTE (chw42 @ Apr 28, 2016 -> 11:03 AM) I'd like a rainout please. Then we get to skip Danks again. LOVE the avatar

QUOTE (Dunt @ Apr 28, 2016 -> 09:41 AM) Jose Abreu currently has the lowest fWAR on the team It is amazing to think we are a 16 win team with basically nothing from Jose Abreu. Who would have taken those odds on April 1?

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Apr 28, 2016 -> 10:16 AM) To the people who are watching this one tonight... may Danks have mercy on your souls. Amen.

Dioner Navarro

QUOTE (bmags @ Apr 28, 2016 -> 09:50 AM) God I hope Q wins the cy young after that crap. Actually as much as I love Sale, I don't think I could be more excited by a thought (Aside from world series) than Q winning a cy young. It feels like Sale winning the Cy Young is inevitable, while Q would be a triumph over the whole "underrated" thing.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 28, 2016 -> 09:47 AM) Only AA, and that's debatable, certainly, because he spent so much time at the lower levels that it's understandable he was finally jumped forward this year. If he was drafted by the White Sox, he definitely would have been at Kannapolis in his second year and pushed to the Carolina League in his third year... To me it seems like the Cubs are intentionally moving him slowly in order to prop up his numbers to trade him, knowing full well that he is blocked at pretty much every position he could play.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 28, 2016 -> 09:38 AM) He has 1,557 minor league AB's. Avisail Garcia has over 2,000 in roughly five minor league seasons. Worth noting is they had roughly the same number of AB's (215) in AA... Vogelbach has had a pretty normal progression for a high school kid. Took him two years to get out of short-season ball (Northwest League and AZ), whereas the very top high school prospects almost always move in one year. At any rate, the #20 prospect for the Cubs is probably not on the Top 20 list that Hahn and Company have compiled. And the Cubs aren't just going to give him away simply because he doesn't have a place to play in their organization, as much as it would be nice if the world worked that way for blocked players. Looking at their careers, it's easy to argue Avisail needed more time in the minors, and the same can be said for Vogelbach, but at least his numbers offensively partially justify the quicker promotion/s. With Avi, it was more based on raw tools and projection/s, rather than actual results. I am not sure where someone would look at the Vogelbach numbers and say he needed MORE time at each level.