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QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jan 24, 2016 -> 07:22 PM) So would you have paid Cespedes $30 million this year? Because that's the minimum it would have taken to pry him away from the Mets. And I'm still not sure that would have been enough. Honestly, I am not even sure that would have been enough.

So why the difference in local/national reaction between this and Crestwood?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 24, 2016 -> 01:31 PM) I think a short summation of my view of this thread is 1. It's entirely possible the Bulls FO has made some mistakes. They've had some clear major hits and some solid misses. However... 2. Given what happened to the MVP they drafted, I submit that there are zero GM/coach/management combos who could have turned this team into a championship team in the last 5 years. Make every decision correct...and that injury ravaged player still prevents them from being a title team. This is probably the most fair post in this entire thread. When your franchise player and cornerstone goes down to three major injuries, and isn't himself anymore, your entire franchise changes.

QUOTE (ozzfest @ Jan 24, 2016 -> 12:39 PM) They signed him to a 3 year extension the day before he announced he was having surgery. They agreed to the contract knowing he would miss significant time. THEREFORE, they were CONTENT having Tony Snell being a regular rotational player filling in. A terrible plan. This is just idiotic. There was no projection that had him out over half of the season. They though MAYBE a few weeks into the season. He rehurt it during rehab, so no, they didn't expect this. No wonder you are so angry, you have no grasp on reality.

The password was Eckstein123 http://deadspin.com/u-s-attorney-suggests-...cces-1754734603

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Jan 23, 2016 -> 10:34 PM) Like trying to have a reasoned discussion with you over your completely irrational view of the ownership?

QUOTE (ozzfest @ Jan 23, 2016 -> 09:03 PM) Excuse me, I forgot to mention re-signing 35 year old Mike Dunleavy was a bad idea as well. In the modern NBA it is pretty terrible to have a SF who can shoot the three and move the ball.

QUOTE (GREEDY @ Jan 23, 2016 -> 08:24 PM) The Boers & Bernstein School of Radio (and most of their 670 disciples): Beg for calls >>> Act shocked & annoyed that person who calls a radio show & waits for half hour to talk is an idiot >>> Condescendingly explain why caller is an idiot & assume they are representative of entire fan-base The Score called. You are hired.

QUOTE (ozzfest @ Jan 23, 2016 -> 07:29 PM) It's clueless fans like yourself that support Kenny Williams running the White Sox for as long as he has. You don't know something will get better until you change it. The Bulls need to change their FO. The White Sox need to get rid of Kenny. Both teams need to tank and rebuild. Going halfway is a really sh*** plan. In regards to my plan: it would not involve Tony Snell starting on my team. The Bulls "plan" didn't involve Snell starting either. But its clueless fans like you that leave out the fact that the reason Snell is starting is because multiple starters are out hurt and pretend otherwise to make a point that isn't even really true.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jan 23, 2016 -> 02:37 PM) If Lagares was on the Sox with his .667 OF OPS, people would want him gone yesterday. We traded an defensive fielder (who raked in his cup of coffee) who was universally termed a "fourth OF." He "raked" for about two weeks. He was pretty meh besides that.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 23, 2016 -> 06:14 PM) The thing is, this isn't at work. This is on social media. This isn't Cooper being heckled on the field and losing his s*** on a fan, this is someone who sent him(supposedly) a private message to tell him this. If someone I didn't know sent me a private message and told me stuff like that, and I responded similarly I can tell you that A: my employer wouldn't care and B: I wouldn't be worried about responding similarly. And I highly doubt people in the front office were like "holy s*** Cooper just told off a fan, better tell him to knock it off" This isn't even "social" media. This is supposed to be a private message. These types of correspondence aren't public until a person makes them public.

QUOTE (captain54 @ Jan 23, 2016 -> 03:03 PM) I could see if Cooper expressed this to someone over a drink at a bar or whatever, but to put his opinions (rather negative toward the paying customer, I might add) out there over social media, radio, TV, etc? I would think someone in the the organization might tell Don to knock it off. Its not like they are at capacity with season ticket holders…its like the last thing the organization needs is another reason for fans to possibly stay away… I thought it wasn't over social media, it was over messenger, which is supposed to be a private exchange until someone decided to make it public? But hey, don't let logic get in the way of a good ol fashioned lynchin.

QUOTE (captain54 @ Jan 23, 2016 -> 02:52 PM) I'm not gonna keep going over this. You've already chosen to believe that I'm sitting around wringing my hands over what Cooper says.. I've stated about a million times already that I find it interesting, and at least worth noting.. and THATS IT!! You may not think, or most here is this little circle of Sox fandom may not think, that was Cooper says has any consequence… I know tons of Sox fans who are pretty incredulous over what Cooper had to say.. they just aren't on an internet board, not all of them anyway, expressing their concerns... It's tough almost impossible to have an intelligent interchange with someone when they've think they've got it all figured out.. when they don't So its been fun.. but later.. have a nice weekend.. I will agree, it is very tough to talk to someone who has their mind made up, and the outrage switch flipped on.

QUOTE (captain54 @ Jan 23, 2016 -> 01:09 PM) When a member of the organization, coach.. executive.. investor.. player.. whatever.. says .. "if you complain, WE don't want you as a fan anyway" What would that lead you to believe? That you are spending time worrying about what Don Cooper supposedly thinks.

QUOTE (captain54 @ Jan 23, 2016 -> 12:06 PM) I guess I will never really understand this kind of attitude from you, and others like you.. That if anyone expresses any negative or questioning tone toward the Sox organization, they are immediately labeled as outraged lunatics and disgruntled a-holes who are never happy with anything… That's really not fair.. or accurate. You can't blow off every negative or critical comment as illogical or irrational.. This is an organization that is in a pretty deep funk, fighting for their lives to stay relevant in this town. It's been exposed in a lot of ways.. a big market team with a pretty mediocre track record over the last decade..and at or near the bottom in terms of attendance or TV viewership.. I guess also maybe in your ideal world, fans should just go the games and keep their mouths shuts.. and if they don't like it, don't b**** about it, just don't go to the games… Is the organization accountable to it's fandom in any fashion? Or do the White Sox simply exist for the benefit of providing very lucrative salaries for players, administrators, and already very wealthy investors? Im not trying to be a sh*t to people, and I truly do respect everyone's opinion and right to say what they feel.. Ultimately what the Sox do or don't do doesn't affect my day that much.. even during the season.. but to discount the fact that there are passionate fans who have grown up with this team and want desperately to feel some kind of pride, rather than frustration.. that's just not realistic, and not being honest about what state the franchise is in... I will never get the need to be upset about anything that really has zero meaning.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jan 23, 2016 -> 10:26 AM) Can we stop acting like because we missed out on the Big 3 that all of Hahn's plans fail to come to fruition? He targeted Lawrie and Frazier and got those done. What was he supposed to do here? There was no way we were going to pry away Gordon or Cespedes unless we grossly overpaid, and Upton didn't want to come here. There isn't nearly enough petulant temper tantrum in this post. I am going to ignore these facts and rant on.

QUOTE (ozzfest @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 08:34 PM) You are a garpax apologist bro. Enjoy being mediocre. Enjoy being spoonfed your talking points from sports talk radio.

QUOTE (captain54 @ Jan 23, 2016 -> 01:43 AM) congrats on being that rare human being that never questions anything or has an issue with anyone at anytime…kudos to you.. must be all that hand holding and Kumbaya singing. I'll have to try that sometime... Maybe I will jump on the outrage train. I hear sometimes you get free stuff.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 10:32 PM) With LaRoche/Danks coming off the books this year, we'd save some money to be able to backload a deal. The White Sox have more than enough resources to exceed our current payroll. Cespedes is getting $27.5 million for 2016. There is no backloading.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 10:28 PM) Let's not act like the Sox don't have any more room to add to the payroll. If we had the money to offer Tanaka in 2014, then that money didn't disappear. It's there. Thankfully the situation is the same and they haven't spent any more money since the Tanaka offer so things are all still the same.

If the $27.5 million first year figure is correct, the Sox never had a chance.

QUOTE (Baron @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 03:37 PM) Cespedes saved 14 runs in LF last season. Our outfield as a whole gave up about around 30. Adam Eaton and obviously Garcia were the main contributors to that. Say by adding him in LF and switching around the OF you get close to breaking even. I dont think Eaton is going to have a repeat of 2015 defensively. What do you value 30 runs at? it is a discussion question. There is no right or wrong answer, but I wanted to see how important people think Cespedes actually is.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 04:03 PM) You are WAY oversimplifying what has been said. Again, I wouldn't think they need to say "without destroying the future", but I guess for some it is absolutely necessary, because you are taking it literally. I think it also goes a long way to rebutting the idea that Kenny Williams is still controlling the puppet strings, because Kenny wouldn't have the patience to build both the majors and minors at the same time, and not WAY over pay to do it. I don't know how you can take a statement like that, and turn it into we will literally do anything and everything to win today, no matter what. But, at the same time, I am not really surprised by it. Or let me make it more obvious. When you wife asks "does this make me look fat", do you take her at a literal sense to answer the question or do you get that you are supposed to read between the lines and get what is really being said?

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 03:55 PM) Let me oversimplify what's going on here so you can understand it a little better. The Exec VP of Baseball Operations and the General Manager are on record of saying they want to "maximize" the opportunity presented by the current core of players in the next few years to compete for a championship. We still have some big holes surrounding the core that if they go uncorrected, will not allow us to "maximize" this opportunity. Any solution available to us at the moment to correct one of these holes will have an impact on the future, be it trading away elite talent we have in the minors to acquire a solution, or spending money in the open market that could limit options in the future beyond the current window of opportunity. Signing Yoenis Cespedes to a five year contract is the best option at the moment to both solve one of the remaining obstacles to "maximizing" the current window, while having the least amount of impact on future endeavors. Because of the team friendly contracts currently in place through '19 and '20, the addition of Cespedes at this point in time in no way resembles a scenario that "destroys the future". Not even close. So which is better - having Cespedes on the books in '19 and '20 or potentially not having Anderson and Fulmer on this team then in the prime of their careers. I think the answer is pretty obvious. So take your pick, SS2K5. Either trade away Anderson or Fulmer to acquire Major League talent to help boost this team over the top, or sign Cespedes. Those are the two options that will best enable the team to "maximize" blah blah blah. Doing nothing and standing pat because we're shaking in our boots about possible ramifications down the road ain't gonna get it done. Signing a second tier, cheaper outfield solution does not "maximize" our ability to compete because Cespedes >>> than those options. If you have a better answer, let's hear it. We're all ears!! You are WAY oversimplifying what has been said. Again, I wouldn't think they need to say "without destroying the future", but I guess for some it is absolutely necessary, because you are taking it literally. I think it also goes a long way to rebutting the idea that Kenny Williams is still controlling the puppet strings, because Kenny wouldn't have the patience to build both the majors and minors at the same time, and not WAY over pay to do it. I don't know how you can take a statement like that, and turn it into we will literally do anything and everything to win today, no matter what. But, at the same time, I am not really surprised by it.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 22, 2016 -> 03:34 PM) Yes, Thibs locker room was such a mess compared to Hoiberg's. Honestly it has been remarkable how similar the two teams have been so far. I mean this group scores more than last year, but we saw so many games last year where the Bulls played down to bad teams, and up to good teams, along with funky locker room crap. I have no idea what Hoiberg is supposed to be so far.