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QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 4, 2015 -> 04:35 PM) Unless all the beat writers and respected other Sox media that are reporting it are wrong... which I suppose is possible. They are all saying the 7th. No, because they can't announce deals earlier than deals are allowed. The most likely scenario is that each side knows what the other is looking for, and they will work quickly to narrow the gap for an agreement.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Nov 4, 2015 -> 04:18 PM) This is perfect. I agree with you 100%. I don't get the hate for Jennings, we was a lot better than Putnam and Duke in the 2nd half. Or just insert Montas in his spot if he is not traded. I'd rather have Montas working as a starter in the minors, versus being reliever for the Sox in 2016. We have other guys in the system I'd rather convert, hey how about Turner to start with? Plus there will be other reliever bargains out there.

QUOTE (shysocks @ Nov 4, 2015 -> 02:48 PM) SIGN HIM AND BENCH HIM Addition by subtracting him from the rest of the AL Central.

QUOTE (AustinIllini @ Nov 4, 2015 -> 01:39 PM) Then how does he not see what is happening in the rest of the division? It's not that the Blackhawks suck, it's just that the division looks scary. And I know they haven't played each other. Unless you plan on the entire division being hot for the rest of the season, and with head to heads coming up that is pretty much impossible, the idea of the entire division being this good all year is pretty much moot.

QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Nov 4, 2015 -> 01:48 PM) Why couldn't they just force Thibs to take an offensive minded assistant. Thibs bridge was burned. There was no bringing him back.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 4, 2015 -> 12:58 PM) And both teams regret their decision. It is a mighty false assumption to assume that at least one team won't make a bad decision this year.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Nov 4, 2015 -> 01:00 PM) By what metric? FanGraphs has him better defensively every year since 2011, and while I know the Gold Glove is a questionable award, Hardy won it 3 straight times from 2012-2014. He has a higher Dwar than Hardy, even with the horrible start.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 4, 2015 -> 12:41 PM) Not 34 year olds with declining offensive and defensive production. In fact, I would say, the over 30 crowd is probably having a harder time getting a big payday than their steroid era counterparts. Steven Drew just got a five million contract from the Yankees last year after hitting in the .100's for two different teams in 2014. JJ Hardy turned a .682 OPS into a 3 year deal pushing $40 million. Alexei was .642 this season, and still a way better defender.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 4, 2015 -> 12:34 PM) Orlando Cabrera was a 33 year old SS with the White Sox who went from making $10 million in 2008 to $4 million in 2009. and he had a better year than Alexei. The value of a SS on the open market has changed a TON since 2009.

As a matter of a fact I could see a deal of about $8 million for this year, plus an option year with a buyout of $1 million, giving him the same $10 million he would have earned this year anyway, but an extra year of control for the Sox.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Nov 4, 2015 -> 12:19 PM) They aren't moving on though. He'll be back for less $$. He wants to be in Chicago. Yeah, I would still be shocked to see him anywhere but the south side of Chicago next year.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Nov 4, 2015 -> 11:31 AM) Do folks really believe we are looking for a bench coach for the 2016 season with the the sole purpose of replacing Robin Ventura? Robin would know this as would the players and coaches. It would be a tremendous insult and why would Ventura want to even come back for the next season, or the Spx mess around like that? The job of the bench coach would be similar to have a right hand next to the manager to deal with the players and assist with moves during the game and after. It us toi make the team better and not to embarrass the manager. With the list of bench coaches being talked about all either being ex-managers, or people who are highly thought of as future managers, I don't see what other conclusion to reach.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 4, 2015 -> 10:11 AM) Well that's a model problem - there is no consumer choice, in reality. Costs are an absolute roll of the dice going in. That, plus what I mentioned, means consumer-driven change is basically impossible, rendering the positives of a capitalist market zero. I'll bet a large part of it is local monopoly's on care in many areas of the country.

QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Nov 4, 2015 -> 10:11 AM) I love going back every so often and looking at old threads from this place. http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=10698 Oh the days of getting excited about Lasse Kukkonen..... I wonder what ever happened to that Seabrook kid they drafted?

QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 4, 2015 -> 10:00 AM) I think we've all watched enough sports to know not to extrapolate first month results over the whole year, and enough blackhawks to not give up on them after 1 month. If they are 5+ points behind with a month to go I'll begin to be slightly worried. I said before the season even started to look back at 2010-2011 as a blueprint for a Cup winning team that had a ton of changes. They started out 11-11-2. This group is in a pretty similar position. They are young, unfamiliar with each other, and a major injury. Could it derail the season? Maybe. But I also expect this team to peak in the spring, and not the fall.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Nov 4, 2015 -> 08:31 AM) I'll just point to that incredibly low turnout number again. When so few people bother to vote, the "true believers" get to control the elections. It'll be pretty terrible for half a million Kentuckians if Bevin goes through with his promise to destroy programs that a majority of Kentuckians support and which have cut the uninsured rate in the state by half. Our municipal election saw an 18% turnout.

QUOTE (buhbuhburrrrlz @ Nov 4, 2015 -> 04:17 AM) Nothing ever seemed to add up. It was really strange a week after he was killed they couldn't even determine cause of death. I wonder if a different coroner would have rubber stamped it. Too bad for his family. Just more pain. Yeah, I am not sure how it took them this long to figure it out, unless the cop tried to frame someone else..

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 4, 2015 -> 08:57 AM) Sox took a player in the major league phase just two years ago, and kept him around all year. The minor league phase is definitely baseball nerd town. But even there you sometimes find something - like Tago. Two years ago they picked 3rd. Also worth noting is the list of players taken after DeShields. 4. Houston Astros: RHP Jason Garcia, Red Sox 5. Minnesota Twins: RHP J.R. Graham, Braves 6. Boston Red Sox: RHP Jandel Gustave, Astros 7. Chicago Cubs: SS Taylor Featherston, Rockies 8. Philadelphia Phillies: IF David Herrera, Rangers 9. Miami Marlins: LHP Andrew McKirahan, Cubs 10. New York Mets: LHP Sean Gilmartin, Twins 11. Atlanta Braves: RHP Daniel Winkler, Rockies 12. Seattle Mariners: LHP David Rollins, Astros 13. Baltimore Orioles: RHP Logan Verrett, Mets

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 4, 2015 -> 08:38 AM) The White Sox could always take a pitcher. I wouldn't be too concerned with losing anyone. Texas got Deshileds last year which was good for them, but more the exception than the rule these days. The rule 5 draft IMO gets a lot more attention than it probably deserves. Since it takes place at the end of the Winter Meetings, hopefully we will have more to be excited about then. The only attention is gets is with the hardcore fans. Honestly with the Sox sitting in the 10th spot, there isn't much of a chance of anyone useful being there either.

QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Nov 3, 2015 -> 11:43 PM) 1. I don't know why I'm going down this road 2. I don't even know why I'm in PHT to begin with, but.... You want a power bullpen and your first move is moving Danks to the pen? Oops.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Nov 4, 2015 -> 12:01 AM) Seems like it could be Renteria http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2015/11/03/lev...ox-bench-coach/ an article like that makes me wonder if Bruce is doing a favor for the Sox or Renteria.

QUOTE (AustinIllini @ Nov 3, 2015 -> 11:51 PM) You don't watch hockey. The Hawks could play this way all season and miss the playoffs. It's the wrong time in the wrong division to be rebuilding. But like I said, I want to see young guys on the ice if the team is going to struggle. I don't want sunk money like Bickell out there. Stop yourself.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Nov 3, 2015 -> 04:57 PM) Bears' trades were earlier in the season so had more games those players could play in. Earlier trade = more value just in terms of games playable on new team. Yes, this is what I was going for.

The bullpen might actually be our strongest and deepest area on this team.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 3, 2015 -> 03:24 PM) So, Vernon Davis was worth a 6th Rounder, and the bears got 6th rounders for Bostic and Allen. I would say Pace did well FWIW, those comparisons aren't static because games have gone by that Vernon Davis can't play in.