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QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 13, 2011 -> 12:53 PM) IIRC, the Cubs never made an official offer. And from everything I've heard, this wasn't just a salary dump for San Diego. They had concerns about how Peavy's arm was going to hold up after tons of innings/sliders. They didn't shop him at all until they had to pare payroll

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jun 13, 2011 -> 12:43 PM) What? You wrote " The easiest way to back up what you are saying would be to find a reputable baseball writer to agree with you ." I was looking for a writer OUTSIDE Sox circle not what KW says he does not control the other 29 teams from drafting Ozney. I do not care the Sox did not draft Ozney nobody drafted him. You find me someone OUTSIDE the White Sox saying he was not drafted because of his family BS. You have not shown me any proof either. I think I can safely count the opinion of the general manager of the White Sox as valid when compared to a reputable writer pretty safely. The point was to have proof from someone outside of yourself that your opinion is valid. I have the general manager of the White Sox on my side. So far, you are still ducking the question, because you know you don't have any proof at all. Instead you are going to pick at my argument as to distract from your being wrong.

I'm not sure how accurate your numbers are. That doesn't account for any skip errors, does it?

Guessing doesn't help.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 13, 2011 -> 12:31 PM) Divide the total # of posts by 26 and then make some allowance for an error every time through or two. Exactly how much of an allowance?

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 13, 2011 -> 12:27 PM) WHAT? Oh my goodness. Please stop. Hakeem was a two time DPOY, led the league in blocks multiple times, even averaged over 2 SPG a couple years. He was a FORCE defensively. Who was better? Ewing? Robinson? C'mon now. I lived in Houston while he was in college and starting in the NBA. I watched Rockets games religious when I was down there. I know his resume, but I also watch the guy play a lot more than probably anyone here. He couldn't hold the physical style of center. Most of his blocks were of the help variety, and not on his own guy.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 13, 2011 -> 12:23 PM) Dodgers owe Manroid a payment of $8.33 million by the end of this month. Selig wants him to default.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 13, 2011 -> 12:23 PM) Presumably with much higher ticket prices as well For sure. I don't think 5 digit suite prices would go over to well down there.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jun 13, 2011 -> 12:27 PM) He is not a writer and I am looking for someone outside the White Sox JR family tree. He is the freaking GM of the team! What more authority would you like on why the Sox didn't draft someone? oh right, some random writer. Anyways, that is all a deflection from the fact that you can't find anyone to back up what you wrote, while I have the guy in charge of the organization's draft in my corner. I'm still waiting to see any proof from you.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 13, 2011 -> 12:25 PM) Kenny Williams pretty much said exactly that. And here you go. http://www.dailyherald.com/article/2011060...06089741/print/ Now your turn.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jun 13, 2011 -> 12:22 PM) I just changed it to the right name. It is no different than showing me a reputable baseball writer who said Ozney was not drafted because of the family BS. Kenny Williams pretty much said exactly that.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 13, 2011 -> 12:12 PM) Hakeem was better at every facet of basketball. I have no clue where you're coming from. He did it better against MUCH stiffer competition. The Dream wasn't your typical big man. He didn't make his mark in the paint. His game was more of the outside in. Plus he wasn't nearly the defender that many other big men were, even in his own time.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jun 13, 2011 -> 12:08 PM) Amusing is you with no concrete evidence saying that NOBODY drafted Guillen because of family BS that is your opinion. "That is the most likely reason he was not drafted." If a team wanted Oney he would of been drafted even a late round flyer they would have nothing to lose. I am done talking about a guy who was not good enough to be drafted in the eyes of scouts he is a FA now and OG can guide him where he wants now, good luck to Oney. First things first, you are talking about the wrong kid. Oney was drafted years back, and is already long since retired. Ozney is the kid you are thinking about. The easiest way to back up what you are saying would be to find a reputable baseball writer to agree with you about Ozney not being good enough to draft. I haven't single that in print a single time.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 13, 2011 -> 12:06 PM) There really aren't many players to add either. Should Peavy return to health for 4-5 full weeks, I could possibly see one of the starters being dealt for a rh reliever and other pieces. But otherwise, I doubt much will be done. Jackson would be the most likely guy to go, but I agree.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 13, 2011 -> 11:57 AM) My point eluded you. Hakeem Olajuwon was twice the player Bill Russell was. Yet Russell's viewed as a top 3 center ever while Hakeem is perpetually stuck in the second tier. And how am I a troll? Because I don't bow down when the masses have different opinions then myself? This is why I stay out of filmbuster. I'd get banned in 22 seconds if I were to share my opinions. The amazing part of Hakeem is he didn't play basketball until he was 14. He was an all world soccer player at that point.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 13, 2011 -> 11:48 AM) Let's put it this way: Hakeem >> Russell Yet Hakeem is never mentioned as one of the all-time great centers. It's always Wilt, Kareem and Russell. Then there's the next tier. Hakeem and Shaq would make a dirty diaper outta Bill Russell. It wouldn't even be funny. It would be like when Jeff Hornacek would check Jordan. No way. Olajowon never dominated the game the way that a Russell did. The Dream was a great player, and one of the top in his era, but I put him firmly into the second tier of all time centers. I would also add Shaq to the top tier.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jun 13, 2011 -> 11:38 AM) He might be but why would we listen? The fellow has solidified our pitching staff and is one of the big reasons we are still in this thing. I think we will be buyers not sellers I don't see us being buyers in any scenario. We don't have the room in payroll to add.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 13, 2011 -> 11:22 AM) And that to me is what makes him overrated. The 11 rings. How many hall of famers did he play with? I'm not trying to minimize his importance and impact (sounds like it, though). But there were like 10 teams in the league back then and the talent overall just wasn't that great to begin with. That also means he would have played with more Hall of Famers because talent wasn't as watered down as it is today.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jun 13, 2011 -> 11:16 AM) People were saying s*** about him since he was in HS. Then he dropped out of Indiana to work for a few years, went back to school and took a no-talent Indiana state team to the bring of an NCAA title. He was then drafted and the NBA talent was supposed to make his game disappear when all he did was dominated and win titles. His game translates to any era. Fundamentals, effort and desire. Plus it is such a different game. The last guy on the bench today is a much better athlete than the top player on a team 30 years ago. That person is also bigger, stronger, and faster than the top players of 30 years ago. Some things you can compare, others you can't. It is much like trying to compare different eras in baseball. I really try to compare players relative levels in their respective games. Bird was a consensus top 3 or 4 player in his day. Until this playoff run, I am not sure that Dirk would get that mention. Bird was that player for a decade. So was Bill Russell.

http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/colu...&id=6645956

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jun 13, 2011 -> 10:08 AM) Well, they've been doing that because he's been King Douche all season long, starting with the absolute worst way to announce his move to Miami. Had he just called a press conference and signed with Miami, the backlash wouldn't be bad at all. To do it on national television, to say "South Beach" instead of the Miami Heat, to publically s*** all over your former team was just a bad start. It's not just his fault that they had that pre-season celebration, or the post-boston celebration, or that they (he and wade) acted like dicks most of the season, but he's a big part of that. You came to Miami to win 7 straight? Well, you're 0-1 and the entire league is coming for you. Yeah superstars have moved around sports with free agency for decades now. The reason LeBron is getting this treatment is because that space between the ears that tells you when to STFU doesn't work for him. He is reaping exactly what he sowed.

Could someone count how many full laps this thread has made?

QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Jun 13, 2011 -> 09:45 AM) Also, never been rumors or dramatic fluctuations in his stats. Never been in decline and told that he was "done" or nearly done. That desperation has not been part of Paulie as far as any of us know. Doesn't fit the profile, for me, anyway. The only fluxuations he had were to obvious injuries.

QUOTE (sin city sox fan @ Jun 13, 2011 -> 09:46 AM) Coop could have fixed him They let him walk to Japan. There wasn't anything to fix.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 13, 2011 -> 09:14 AM) The bottom line is the first-year player draft and international scouting are the traditional formats in which to build your organization. But not the only ways to do so. Again, someone PLEASE recognize not only all the money spent on wasted draft picks, but the OPPORTUNITY COSTS associated with failed prospects. It seems like I bring this up everytime this conversation occurs and yet none of you want to touch it. There is a cost associated with developing a prospect, giving him MLB at bats and extra attention from the coaching staff, penciling him in as the fixture at his position for years to come, making acquisitions (or not making acquisitions) based around such a proclamation, only to realize that after several call-ups and many years that this player simply does not have what it takes to make it in the major leagues or in your organization. A HUGE cost in resources, be it $, time, coaching, and the effect it might have had on your acquisitions. This is basically an opportunity cost. And it can be a very costly opportunity cost. Now multiply that by several times and this is why it isn't just as simple as pouring money into the draft, into international scouting, and waiting for all your young superstars to emerge in a few years. This is certainly no excuse to do a subpar job drafting or with international scouting, but it's simply an indicator that you can commit to these endeavors in degrees, and shift resources towards more known quantities, such as proven veterans, or more advanced players in other systems which need a little tweaking, or simply more advanced players in other systems that can be poached due to timing/financial considerations, etc. It's no secret which camp the White Sox fall into. And I still haven't seen anything that proves to me it is the wrong camp. This is a really good post. It isn't as easy as spending overslot. You have to be able to put the time and effort in too for sure. The Sox seem to just use those players they draft to trade up a few years in experience.