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QUOTE (MexSoxFan#1 @ Jun 2, 2011 -> 02:58 PM) After reading all these hypothetical trade scenarios, I don´t envy Forman´s job.The moves he makes this upcoming off season will be the difference between putting the Bulls in position to knock off Miami or being just another EC team nipping on the Heat´s ankles and ultimately failing. Either that or we can hope Dan Gilbert sends some thugs to do a Tanya Harding on LBJ. I'm listening...

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jun 2, 2011 -> 02:03 PM) Well the tip of the iceberg is already in full view. And the iceberg has covered Tampa for years.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 2, 2011 -> 02:09 PM) I'm sure he was. How could he not have been? But I don't buy for a second his reasoning for those being his most memorable HRs. Frank hasn't changed that much. With his ego and how easily it bruised? I have no problem believing it was the biggest to him.

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Jun 2, 2011 -> 12:53 PM) The Rays are the model to follow in drafting, scouting, and development. Particularly in pitching. They just keep churning out solid to excellent arms. Their farm system was/is second only to the Royals and they will potentially leapfrog them after the draft. When the Royals talent pans out, I might place them ahead of Tampa. Tampa has proven their system works.

QUOTE (FlaSoxxJim @ Jun 2, 2011 -> 01:10 PM) I have found that is often easier to just landscape around them, like planting tulips around them. That is the only way these days I can ensure that I'll regularly have tulips wrapped around my stump. I think at that age it is more of a weeping willow anyways...

QUOTE (forrestg @ Jun 2, 2011 -> 01:42 PM) g Yes, it does I wore braces and then one day while I was running my braces seem to fall off. Later, I joined the army, started playing table tennis so well that I toured china. I played so well that I was recognized by the president. Nicely done.

Dallas cleared waivers and is now back in Charlotte.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jun 2, 2011 -> 01:21 PM) I can't ever tell when you're being sincere or sarcastic. ^

You don't say.

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QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 2, 2011 -> 12:44 PM) Wouldn't shock me if random players (not singling out Randy) you wouldn't at first consider were juicing actually were, as career minor leaguers who all of a sudden found power in the minor leagues or increased their velocity a few mph were some of the more obvious PEDS abusers. So what are you saying about Phil Humber?

So if anyone asks where Crain has been the last couple of days, just show them that picture. Wow.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jun 2, 2011 -> 12:28 PM) If you believe him. True.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 2, 2011 -> 12:29 PM) Think you have to go with a hybrid of PK/Buehrle. There's just no way you can say Mark hasn't been a face of this franchise. I'd even say Buehrle over Konerko.

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Jun 2, 2011 -> 12:19 PM) how the hell do the Rays have 12 picks in the first 89? They lost their entire bullpen to free agency.

QUOTE (kjshoe04 @ Jun 2, 2011 -> 11:44 AM) Am I the only one here that wants Vancouver to win? Besides the token Canadian, yes.

QUOTE (kjshoe04 @ Jun 2, 2011 -> 12:20 PM) I wouldn't mind giving up Noah as much as Deng. Asik and Gibson can fill that role nicely I believe. Exactly. I think we have a replacement for Noah. Deng, no way.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 2, 2011 -> 11:45 AM) I don't know if I'd go that far. Ben at least was capable of dropping 35 on any given night. Though his efficiency has always sucked. But his defense is just too brutal. Not even TT can cover him up. DRtg (defensive rating) is a solid, if not perfect, tool of measuring individual defensive performance. In the last three years, Ben has allowed an astounding 112, 114 and 115 points per 100 possessions. That's just too much fail. Ben would score 35, and his guy would score 50.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 2, 2011 -> 11:48 AM) That part I don't disagree with. However, I see plenty of reasons why his struggles there could go away and in this instance, given the current state of the CBA there is no harm from us as a fans perspective in making this trade. Gordon has a high probability of being far better than Korver (imo) and we get the #8 pick for two lower 1sts and end up with Bogans back anyway. I just don't see how you could have a problem with this hypothetical deal. Doesn't really impact our cap status other than Jerry would have to pay some luxury tax (again, this is all under the current salary arrangement). For me the deal would be more for the #8 pick than anything. If you think you can get your next starter to stand next to Rose for the next 6-10 years, do the deal.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jun 2, 2011 -> 11:31 AM) History and Discovery have been garbage for years now. The more reality they have gone in recent years, the more I have found myself on History International.

Why would you say that?

QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Jun 2, 2011 -> 11:26 AM) If he took it after being drafted, how would it NOT affect his getting to the majors? What am I missing here? He took it after he already had been in the majors, when he hurt his shoulder.

QUOTE (daa84 @ Jun 2, 2011 -> 10:34 AM) and its not as if danks doesn't have natural power....remember it was thought he would be a big time power guy coming out of high school too. IIRC he won the HR derby at a big time scouting event over some other top prospects. I remember Danks being talked about like a mid career Mark Kotsay. High average, 20 homers, good speed, great defense. I don't remember ever hearing about big power.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 2, 2011 -> 11:14 AM) THe key is you aren't asking him to be a starting 2. You are asking him to be your sixth man. Essentially, to be your Jason Terry. And I think he could be that. He'd be filling Korver's role.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 2, 2011 -> 11:08 AM) Rose can create, but when Rose is off, it is great to have another guy like Gordon that can create. And yes, Gordon in his Bulls days was one of the best creators of offense in the league. He's an elite shooter compared to Rose and while he isn't near the finisher around the basket or near the player Rose is (i'm not comparing the two), Gordon has in the past shown a real good ability to create. Rose can create too. I was more or less saying that on certain nights (e.g. nights where Rose has no shot and is more one dimensional), Gordon could be that guy. Obviously in its entirety Rose is on a whole nother planet than Gordon but I think Gordon would be a very good fit. I'm not sure there wouldn't be better fits, especially since Gordon has had injury problems and well, quite frankly, hasn't been the player he was in Chicago, but I can accept Ben on this squad, especially since this type of trade would keep most of the roster together. Note: I updated my post since I can clearly see that I stated it more in absolute terms regarding Gordon outcreating Rose. I did not intend such. OK, that sounds way more reasonable. I pretty much agree with you now. Anyone know what is left on Ben's contract?