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QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 31, 2010 -> 08:58 AM) They hired him to work in the video-editing room or something. It's not like he was hired to be an Assistant GM or Director of Player Development or something. They did not hire Oney because he is some rising star in the baseball industry. This was clearly a favor done for Ozzie and Oney, and the kid has done nothing but make them pay for it, both while he was an employee, and after they fired him. The fact that they actually had to fire Ozzie's son - think about that - they actually had to fire the manager's kid, shows just how bad the situation had become. Whether you want to argue that they share some blame for the kid being a complete asshat or not, it's pretty clear that he has become such a distraction and such a negative influence, that the White Sox were willing to take a pretty extraordinary step in getting rid of him. If he keeps this up, would it not follow that they would have to take an even more extraordinary step and fire Ozzie? The fact that Kenny and Jerry were actually considering trading Ozzie, and then admitted it publicly, makes it pretty clear that Ozzie is on thin ice. JR is probably one of the most loyal owners in all of sports, and it's pretty clear that Ozzie and the Guillen family has tested his patience to the point of him considering Ozzie's dismissal. Parse out blame however you want, and say that Ozzie is not technically responsible for this because the White Sox employed his son, but one would have to think that this is just one more notch against the Guillen family, and at some point it's going to be one notch too many. They were going to trade him for Mike Stanton. I don't care if he was angelic, you trade your manager for Mike Stanton. Its not like we were talking about trading him for a Sun Times columnist to be named later. The rest of it has all been repeated ad nasuem. I hear the end of the world stuff with Ozzie, I just don't buy it. I'm just saying this has been going on for the better part of a decade now. Hell what happened with Magglio was WAY worse than this and Ozzie kept his job. He pretty much spilled that Maggs was a juicer, and nothing happen. Plus, that was before he got a team into the playoffs, let alone with a world series title. Ozzie gets fired when the team sucks, and not before.

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QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Dec 31, 2010 -> 08:48 AM) And if your son were to pull something like this publicly to humiliate your family you would blame the company for hiring your son? That is immaterial honestly. The kid is 25 years old. Like I said before if 25 isn't old enough to be responsible for your own actions, how old is?

QUOTE (retro1983hat @ Dec 31, 2010 -> 07:38 AM) I don't care about the fact they are all adults and the kids can say what they want and should have no bearing on what happens with Ozzie. If your dad worked for let's say Motorola and was one of the high ranking, high profile officers. And you decided to do nothing but publicly criticize Motorola. Including telling secrets that were only known to those in the board room. Don't you think at some point, the CEO or someone would tell you to tell your kid to lay off. Oh and I lost a lot of respect for Cowley. He is coddling his video game buddy Oney and also protecting perhaps one of his inside sources. I am starting to feel like the Guillen kids are the Kardashians. No real usefulness other than to be leeches ands live off their parents' fame. The problem is the dads bosses hired the kid. Whether the kid is told to be quiet or not, the company assumes responsibility for the guys they hire.

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QUOTE (lostfan @ Dec 30, 2010 -> 10:21 PM) What's all this about injuries, what is Lovie supposed to walk around with a crowbar and start capping people's knees and s***? If you see Chester Taylor in a cast, you know Lovie reads Soxtalk.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 30, 2010 -> 08:26 PM) No, the italics were needed, because you weren't understanding the point. First you accused me of ignoring something, then you ignored a point addressing the very point you made again in your post responding to me. With Ozzie, it's a repetitive pattern, and eventually enough will be enough. You want to justify in your mind his family making the private issues of a player public, you go ahead and do so. This doesn't happen elsewhere around the league. Only here. I'm one of Ozzie's biggest supporters, and I often get called a homer, and if this offends me this much, well, that will probably tell you what the average fan thinks of it. It has nothing to do with justifying it, or not. There seems to be this feeling that this is some massive event, yet it is pretty easy to argue this isn't close to the worst that has happened around Ozzie. There is also the thought that Ozzie has to fix this. My point is very simple... it goes back to the old adage about giving a monkey a gun. The simple point of view is to blame Ozzie.

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QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 30, 2010 -> 08:01 PM) I understand if you want to say technically the White Sox bear some of the blame for employing the idiot at all. Thus my second paragraph in my last post. But in the grand scheme of things, do you really think they care? After everything Ozzie has put them through, eventually, they are going to decide to just wash their hands of him. And this will be another one of the strikes against him, whether you want to say technically or philosophically or morally or whatever, it is partially they're own fault. But for the White Sox continuing to employ Ozzie Guillen as their manager, all this soap opera nonsense would not be happening. But for the White Sox continuing to employ Ozzie Guillen as their manager, Oney Guillen would not be out spouting off about the private matters of their players. Eventually Jerry and the rest of the decision makers, will say "But for Ozzie Guillen being the manager of the White Sox...."and then he'll be gone. If the Sox really cared that much about the off of the field stuff, Ozzie would have been fired along time ago. This isn't the first time, nor the biggest time. They also would have fired Kenny Williams a long time ago, if the off of the field drama bothered them that much.. The Sox will wash their hands of Guillen (and Williams for that matter) when he doesn't win games, unless some really crazy happens. No italics needed.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 30, 2010 -> 07:23 PM) I'm not ignoring this at all. I'm saying that any relationships or information or employment with the White Sox or White Sox players comes completely as a result of his father's position with the White Sox. Oney would never be hanging out with White Sox players if his father was not their manager. Oney would never know any private information about White Sox players or otherwise if his father was not the manager of the White Sox. Oney would never have been given a position with the White Sox unless his father was the manager of the Chicago White Sox. To pretend otherwise is just being stubborn. At the end of the day, you want to talk about technicalities or legalities or whether he was employed by the team or knows this or that because of his friendships with the players, that doesn't matter. What does matter is Ozzie's kid is out spouting his mouth off like a fire hose out of control and the Organization is going to get sick and tired of it. And then Ozzie will be fired. There is a major difference there. If it came about because of his being employed here, that is the White Sox fault. Even if Ozzie asked for Oney to get a job, the team agreed to it. It is the same idea as Ozzie not wanting Thome around after last year. Kenny is the ultimate authority on the roster, just like someone further up the chain is responsible for having Oney hired and fired. It doesn't matter who his father is, or isn't, in that situation. If this came out of Ozzie talking to Oney, then it is Ozzie's fault, and Ozzie deserves to be held accountable for that, just like anyone else in the real world. If the organization feels this is big enough to fire Ozzie for, and this came about because Ozzie fed Oney the information, I have no problem with Ozzie getting fired for it. I'm just not willing to excuse people for their share of responsibility, if it is there.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 30, 2010 -> 07:13 PM) According to Oney's tweets, they swept his problems under the rug. Also according to Oney there WAS a public incident with the clubbie. The team managed to keep it quiet. The Sox could have easily sent Jenks to rehab during the offseason and kept it quiet, but we know that never happened because if it did, Oney would have tweeted it. I'm sure there is more there that we don't know about. Hell there is plenty there that Oney probably doesn't even know about.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 30, 2010 -> 07:00 PM) No. Joe Cowley is the White Sox beat writer. Who the f*** is Oney Guillen? Oh yeah, he's Ozzie Guillen's son. Oh, and Ozzie's not responsible for him either. There are some mighty big assumptions being made here. The assumption seems to be that Ozzie is telling Oney this stuff outside of the realm of the Sox clubhouse. If Oney's information came from either his work, or his social relationships with Jenks or even other players, then no Ozzie isn't responsible for Oney. If Ozzie is feeding this information to Oney, then yes Ozzie is responsible for Oney.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 30, 2010 -> 07:03 PM) Getting an employee help with a problem. Stop and think about that for a minute. Do you really think the Sox would have come out and said that they are sending Jenks to rehab publicly, without there being a public incident to necessitate that information being public? We have no idea how the Sox dealt with Jenks's problems.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 30, 2010 -> 06:57 PM) So why is it that people listen to Oney Guillen? How is it that he has any audience at all? Why does Jow Cowley use him as a source? The same reason that people listen to Joe Cowley. They are really good at stirring it up with not a whole lot of substance. They are essentially tabloids onto themselves. People eat that up.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 30, 2010 -> 06:56 PM) no action taken by the team would indicate Oney not expressing them his cocerns. The 2 were not buddies, at least for a couple of years. Oney likes to name drop on twitter all the time. He has never mentioned hanging with Jenks. Action on what exactly?

Jay Jr is tweeting that Oney and Bobby kissed and made up today. I am guessing a doublicious was involved.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 30, 2010 -> 06:20 PM) If they were such good friends and Oney thought Jenks had a drinking problem, why did he keep it quiet from the White Sox? Or at the very least, why didn't he try to get Jenks to get some help? Oney was ripping Jenks all last season. They weren't the buddies some are making them out to be. I missed where he said he did keep it quiet.

QUOTE (sircaffey @ Dec 30, 2010 -> 06:47 PM) As long as Ozzie doesn't allow Oney to be privy to personal, private information within the White Sox organization, then he is not responsible. However, that's not the case here, and probably won't be. Imagine you brought your son into work with you and into a private meeting. He then tweets important private company information. You are absolutely responsible for that regardless if your son is 2, 25, or 60 years old. Two things change that situation. Number one he spent time as a member of the White Sox organization as an employee, and he had access to the team that way. He also apparently had a social relationship with Jenks outside of the clubhouse. If his information comes from one of those two sources, Ozzie isn't responsible for it at all.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 30, 2010 -> 06:00 PM) Have any of you guys seen the spinoff from Pawn Stars with Rick the restoration guy? I believe it is called American Restoration? I watched about five minutes of it, and was bored. That probably isn't a fair sample, but that's kind of my TV style. I'm not one for regular TV usually, so I don't work much on liking shows. If I am watching TV, it is probably a sporting event of some sort.

QUOTE (The Gooch @ Dec 30, 2010 -> 12:23 PM) No, Pawn Stars is awesome. I can't turn that show off if I have not seen the episode before. Its the same thing with American Pickers.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Dec 30, 2010 -> 05:45 PM) As long as both Noah and Boozer are healthy we'd handle the Knicks quite easily imo. 5 or 6 games. My assumption is for a healthy Bulls roster... If that is the case, I agree 6 games max. If we add a real 2, it could be a sweep.

QUOTE (Tex @ Dec 30, 2010 -> 09:58 AM) The premise, as I felt it was, that we tell a heroic WASPY version of history and that is bad, did lend itself to that. Eh, I have no interest in listening to wingers rant. I can appreciate the factual basis for history being wrong. The whole right wing conspiracy premise made my eyes lose weight from all of the rolling they were doing.