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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 23, 2010 -> 08:42 AM) Teachers fought hard for these tenure rights for a reason. Throughout the 60's and 70's, the main reasons given for why teachers were fired were "immorality" and "gross immorality" in one unnamed state. Prior to the NEA forcing a strong tenure system on school districts, teachers were regularly fired because, basically, they were unliked. They had the gall to teach evolution, or to be non-white and non-christian, etc. Now maybe I'd be convinced that anti-discrimination laws have filled that hole...but you're flat out not going to convince me that without the tenure system we wouldn't be firing teachers in many places because of pissed off, rich parents. I'm not going to say it doesn't cause harm in other ways...it clearly winds up protecting teachers who should be removed...but these collectively bargained rules didn't just appear out of no where. They appeared because the alternative was a worse mess. I would say kids having their lives ruined by receiving a bad, or no, education is worse than any scenario you presented. Especially when the process annually repeats itself with the same bad teachers.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 23, 2010 -> 08:25 AM) Anyway...it's not just the football excuse that would get used for firing. The other thing that can happen is that you piss off the parents by giving a kid a bad grade. Standing behind a teacher who regularly does that even if the teacher is doing a good job is a tough thing for a school to do as well. Teachers unions didn't become hypersensitive about job security and tenure for no reason. That isn't the part that bothers me. It is the obligation to stand behind many more obviously failing teachers that bothers me. It is endangering kids futures with teachers who flat out don't care about the finished product. There are ways for teachers who are wronged to fixed those wrongs. What is the route a kid who has had an awful teacher, or teachers, because the unions protected them from getting the firing they deserved, to get their lives fixed? We are protecting the wrong people in this case.

QUOTE (IceCreamPants @ Aug 22, 2010 -> 05:05 PM) If I had to vote which way I was leaning more towards the most...optimistic about this Whitesox team or...living a gay lifestyle, I would have to go with the gay lifestyle. Was that supposed to be shocking?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 22, 2010 -> 08:07 PM) The problem is...there's not exactly a line of qualified people to replace them, even in a near-depression. You'll get me on arguing that there needs to be additional levels of accountability...but you'll get challenged by me on how to determine that based on standardized tests. Standardized testing is stupid, as it Washington regulating what should be taught. A school shouldn't be any different than anywhere else where the people who run the place should decide who stays and goes.

QUOTE (IceCreamPants @ Aug 22, 2010 -> 04:52 PM) Anus hair threading gotta be the worst IMHO. Not to mention WAY harder to explain.

QUOTE (JPN366 @ Aug 22, 2010 -> 03:12 PM) Both Brady Shoemaker and Leroy Hunt from Kannapolis have been suspended according to the Intimidators roster. Drugs or something else?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 22, 2010 -> 03:00 PM) Because our problem in this country is that we have too many overpaid, overqualified teachers. There are a lot of overpaid teachers in this country who are content getting their paycheck and not caring about the kids in their classes. In most fields they wouldn't have the incentive to stick around with the large pension at the end of the tunnel. They also wouldn't have the union protection of being able to suck without being challenged for their suckiness.

Am I the only one who remembers the mid to late 80's?

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Aug 22, 2010 -> 09:40 AM) I'd find it hard to believe that no one would be impressed that he saved Jackson from missing a start. Why, when is the last time there was a big long thread praising Ozzie around here that wasn't watered down by people still harping on his shortfalls?

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Aug 22, 2010 -> 09:24 AM) So? if they are making 50k a year, it is still 50k, whether they get it over 9 months or 12 months. When you say 'prorated' you make it sound like they then get less each check for doing so. If they are educators and can't make a budget, they may need to go back to school. Teacher contracts in the state of Indiana are for a year.

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Aug 21, 2010 -> 11:14 AM) Do they also get to retire at 50 with full pension and paid medical, summers off while working, and days that end at 3 pm? Plus an untold amount of days off throughout the year for every holiday known to man? I understand your anaolgy, I just dont quite agree with it. I forgot to mention that in the story about the district wanting to increase principal pay, they also mentioned that they had just laid off about 20 teachers and cut the sports budgets. That is really not true. Most school systems use a rule of 85, which makes retirement before 60 about impossible.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Aug 22, 2010 -> 09:32 AM) Maybe. Maybe not. It would be a damn smart move though and we'd all be praising Ozzie if he did that. There is about zero chance of that happening. When is the last time that Ozzie got a ton of praise for anything he did right? Not to mention, if we are talking about a move that no one has ever done before, that makes it literally an impossible standard.

Eh, you can hardly blame Cox for taking a shot there. He has one of his fastest baserunners out there, plus he knows where we are in the game, and that this could potentially end it. Its also not like we leave baserunners on base all of the time either. Because of the circumstances of the doubleheader, you really can't judge the individual plays like you normally would. For example, in a normal game, Santos most likely doesn't pitch at that stage of the game. Heck, most likely, Guillen doesn't allow Garcia to go as long as he did. At that point he was trying to save guys in a game he had a four run lead in, so that he could have his top guys for the night game.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Aug 22, 2010 -> 07:56 AM) So let me get this straight. They thought that by 10 PM the weather would clear up to play? Then why warm up Jackson at 6:30 and let him pitch to 2 batters? If for some insane reason, which actually did occur, the ump decides to start the game minutes before a major storm was about to hit then why warm up Jackson at all? Throw in a scrub for those 10 minutes of game time and when the weather MIGHT clear several hours later and it looks on the radar that they'll get in in then you could warm up Jackson. But I know....this is some sort of insane rationale. It's using the technological tools available to any Tom, Dick or Harry so lets just waste a pitcher for no reason. There's no magic involved Greg. Just readily available data that they've effectively used many times in the past. I'd be curious to hear if any manager has ever done that. I sure don't remember it happening.

QUOTE (danman31 @ Aug 21, 2010 -> 09:41 PM) Ozzie was desperately trying to save the bullpen. Staffing game 2. Someone is going to have to explain to me how Jackson can't go at all tonight after a 7 pitch outing? That's a great point. I know someone mentioned Hawk blaming West for the first game, but if you stop and think about it... If we don't have the second game mess set up today, Santos probably doesn't pitch in that situation. It is someone like Putz or Thornton in that spot.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxfan1986 @ Aug 21, 2010 -> 07:39 PM) It's easy to tell that Mariotti isn't respected by his peers at all. Cowley talked s*** about him, and Gregg Doyel is killing him on his twitter page. Which is ironic because Joe Cowley IS Jay Mariotti.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Aug 21, 2010 -> 08:58 PM) lol talking s*** during a preseason game. When you are a Raiders fan, it is all you have. Its like a sell out to the Cubs fans.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 21, 2010 -> 02:20 PM) Frankly, on average, yes, government workers are better educated than private sector employees, by a significant amount. They're also typically older, because the government doesn't hire many part-time 19 year olds. Which is exactly why when something is privatized that the private companies are able to make a profit doing it...

QUOTE (Elgin Slim @ Aug 21, 2010 -> 03:52 PM) Yeah seriously. If Garcia gets shelled in game 1, we could be 7 out of first by the end of the weekend, after which we would need to seriously consider moving guys like Konerko, Vizquel, and Putz on waivers. IMO Putz is going to get a big contract this offseason, and it's not going to be from the White Sox. I'd bet money all of those guys have been on the wire already. All teams waive everyone at some point. Teams that are wanting to make moves are much more aggresive about it to mask players that could be moved.

You know it is sad when a charge like that doesn't surprise me at all.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Aug 20, 2010 -> 05:49 PM) Well I'm commenting more on the rules of the process than on our situation, specifically. Imagine a scenario whereby two AL East teams both wanted a player and happened to be playing a series against one another when the player was put on waivers... I can't see a team thinking a player was worth essentially two games at this point of the season.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Aug 20, 2010 -> 05:35 PM) Interesting thing about this is that a team could theoretically lose on purpose to improve it's claiming position over the course of two days... Giving away games at this point would be suicide.

QUOTE (knightni @ Aug 20, 2010 -> 05:08 PM) Probably "Palehosed." There are quite a few WSI castoffs there. He has posted here before. He seems like he is doing good stuff over there.