southsider2k5

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Aug 12, 2010 -> 01:55 PM) So unless we win the next 4 straight against them we likely won't win the division? I disagree. We have 18 games total against Minnesota.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 12, 2010 -> 09:58 AM) That's not a bad thing with a 21 year old who needs to learn how to make adjustments to pitchers. Not so great for a team in a pennant race.

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Aug 12, 2010 -> 12:57 PM) Very important to win the season series vs. twinkies. Game 163 looms as a realistic possibility. We're 4-7 against them right now (thanks again, Bobby) with 7 more to be decided We talk about individual games, but there is the season right there. If we end up under .500 against Minnesota, we probably don't win the division.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 12, 2010 -> 01:07 PM) Y'all ought to know my reply to that by now...it's to take 2k5's favorite argument, that it's expensive. We've conducted more workplace employer immigration audits since Obama took office than happened during W's entire presidency, we've dramatically increased expenditures on border security up to about $20 billion up from about $15 billion in 2008 and $13 billion in 2005, and we're on pace to catch and deport about 400k immigrants this year (including those caught in the process of trying to cross). Despite nearly doubling expenditures since 2005, the amount of deportations has only increased by about 33%. Even if I assumed a linear cost per immigrant..to get rid of 15 million at that going rate is a price of $750 billion, assuming no further crossings happen (which of course is silly). Increasing efforts on employers has happened. It doesn't make a big dent. Making the police go after every immigrant they can not only is dangerous for everyone, it's going to be just as expensive. Most of the things you argue in favor of are being done...with small associated increases in removals and cost increases that would outrage people if it was spent on health care or keeping teachers employed. There is no workable solution until the demand for workers is satisfied. My argument is that it will cost WAY more to keep everyone here. Not to mention, if done correctly, it will cost way less than that. Go back to the methods that NSS was talking about that don't have high enforcement costs.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Aug 12, 2010 -> 10:38 AM) I'm just concerned because of Ozzie's relationship with Freddy and possibly a level of overconfidence in his friend. Judging by what was said in the reality show, it sounds like they have zero confidence in Freddy. They really felt that the Jackson move was as much for Hudson being a question, as it was for Freddy being one.

QUOTE (Rex Kicka** @ Aug 12, 2010 -> 12:21 PM) I get where you're going, but wouldn't it just be easier to oppose amnesty than it would be to change the constitution to eliminate a possible political strategy for amnesty? I understand the frustration, but I'm having a hard time seeing an argument that makes sense in terms of why the constitution needs to be altered to define who can and can not be a US citizen. Changing the constitution is hard for a reason, it shouldn't be done unless its necessary. I have a hard time seeing a convincing argument that a constitutional change is necessary. It would be easier to oppose amnesty, and I do. It historically does not work.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 12, 2010 -> 11:49 AM) Really? Maybe in 2007 because of how many other things imploded, but in 06 and 09, it was certainly up there. From 2005 to 2006 the team ERA went up something like a run. That was the problem then.

QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Aug 12, 2010 -> 11:41 AM) I'm curious what that factors in. That seems a bit high to me. That's roughly $16,826.47 per year (1402.37 per month). Is it assuming private schooling? If so, that MAYBE i can see where that might be right since the school my daughters will be attending when they start school is roughly $3200 a year. Here is the original article that I found http://www.usda.gov/wps/portal/usda/usdaho...010/06/0312.xml

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 12, 2010 -> 11:23 AM) Have to believe that if that were truly the case, somewhere around the league some team would have snapped him up a while ago. Especially with how much of an emphasis is put on the pass rush.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Aug 12, 2010 -> 10:28 AM) What about postseason wins? I'm not certain what a postseason rotation would be for us, but I would hope Kenny and Ozzie would have the stones to make Edwin a #4 and put Freddy in the bullpen. Not sure if this will happen, my guess is it will be sort of a controversy should we get to that point, but as they say, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. But for arguments sake, would 2 postseason victories by Jackson make the trade more tolerable? Three? I don't know that anyone is ever going to convince Balta or Qwerty or some of the other number crunchers we have here that this trade worked out for the White Sox in the end, but if that is the case, where have those posters been on Freddy? As far as I'm concerned Balta should be proclaiming to everyone who will listen that Freddy is Kenny's shining moment this year...and yet all I see is how devastatingly awful trading Hudson away was. But should we win a playoff series and Edwin pitches well in the postseason, was the trade worth it then? What about two playoff series? What about a World Series victory? How are postseason victories by a pitcher, or World Series titles earned with the help of a guy like Jackson, factored into this discussion? Is there any doubt about this?

Apparently Grimes signed a letter of intent for GT.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Aug 12, 2010 -> 09:16 AM) I think part of the problem also was that Ozzie buried him when he was hot. Dayan was killing the ball then he didnt play for 3-4 games, got a game in, didnt play. They need to give him more consistent time than that or send him down. His up and in hole is really exposed now, he needs to lay off if he wants to stick in the bigs All that would have done is exposed him quicker.

CNBC just flashed the stat that a child born to middle class parents is expected to have an average of $286,050 spent on it by age 17. That does NOT include college. A family with two kids is expected to cost $600,000 during the same time period.

The Sox said repeatedly that they weren't going to get someone, just to get someone. It was either going to be an impact bat, or nothing. Ty Wiggington is not an impact bat.

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Aug 12, 2010 -> 06:58 AM) He needs to go down for a few weeks and play every day and then come back up on September 1st. Love what i've seen out of him all things considered, and am still excited about his potential, but the past week it's been made clear he isnt ready for every day major league duties. Which is exactly why Ozzie has been hiding him in selected duty...

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Aug 12, 2010 -> 09:07 AM) Well Orton has been in the system for a year already, so of course he is more comfortable with him, and he has to talk well about his incumbent QB who is most likely to start Week 1. Just because Josh McDaniels says something nice about Orton, it in no way means that he doesn't suck. All you have to do is listen to what comes out of the Bears camp to know what gets said about players at this time of the year.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Aug 12, 2010 -> 02:17 AM) Who Coop couldn't fix. So far, it looks like he's helped Jackson. Edit: Also, a guy I know who works for the Sox said around the office it was thought that Hudson was a fourth starter at best and had a lot to prove. Take that for what it's worth, because I do think Hudson will be a good #2 or #3 in the NL To be fair, Cabrera's arm isn't the same anymore.

QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Aug 12, 2010 -> 08:17 AM) What kind of package do you think KC could get for him this offseason with no extension or with a window for a team to extend? Obviously his 09 was crazy good, something like a 205 ERA+. He has started 145 + innings 5 times. First time was exactly 145 innings when he was 20, and if memory serves me right they were actively monitoring his innings. He followed that up with a terrible '05 and I believe that's when he went on his leave to deal with anxiety. He has had strong years in 07 and 08, although only 122 IPs in 07, but nothing crazy and this year he has been OK, but not as good as 08 and certainly not close to 09. It will be interesting to see how teams handle him, obviously with him being only 26 there is a world of potential and one outstanding year on the books. You have to think the price starts in the Sabathia/Santana range.

QUOTE (Rex Kicka** @ Aug 11, 2010 -> 11:09 PM) What does amnesty have to do with birthright citizenship? One is a concept and policy not put into place since Reagan, one is enshrined in the constitution Those are two different arguments, IIRC. Its all a part of the big picture. Giving out birthright citizenship for nothing establishes "families". You have already seen Balta tipping the Dems strategy here by already talking about harming families. Are you really trying to tell me that the anchor babies won't be a part of giving amnesty to people? There is about zero chance of that being reality. It is all the same linear strategy.

QUOTE (Rex Kicka** @ Aug 11, 2010 -> 11:03 PM) Please show me a legal way of this, and how changing the 14th amendment would prevent a legal way of getting money from SSI without paying into it? Let me put it this way. If you can tell me that turning 10,12, 15, or whatever million people who are here illegally won't get paid social security, or any other social service, after getting amnesty, without paying a lifetime into it, I will be for it . Until then, I will consider the cost savings a fact.

QUOTE (Rex Kicka** @ Aug 11, 2010 -> 08:58 PM) They might be building it in Lower Manhattan because its cheaper there than elsewhere in the borough. Funny, a poll came out today talking about how people view Cordoba House in New York City. The top line is more people in NYC are against it than for it. But in Manhattan, the borough of the city that has to live with it, that borough approves of it - 53 to 31. Breakdown by borough on page 7. http://maristpoll.marist.edu/wp-content/mi...nd%20Tables.pdf If opinion polls are the standard, no one here should be complaining about Arizona then.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 11, 2010 -> 07:37 PM) There's been a mosque 4 blocks from ground zero since before the WTC was constructed. There are 3 gay bars closer to ground zero than this cultural center. Did I miss the gay bombing run on the WTC? What does that have to do with anything?

QUOTE (Rex Kicka** @ Aug 11, 2010 -> 08:44 PM) How does restricting citizenship by birthright affect giving out Social Security benefits to people who don't pay into the system? It doesn't. If anything, it precludes additional people from being part of the system. Social Security is not provided to you unless you pay into the system, in most cases. Ask my mother. She taught for universities in Illinois and had an option of paying into social security because she paid into a state pension. She can't receive Social Security today, because she didn't pay into the system. And yes what you're describing is "anecdotes" because you're telling a story, you aren't offering proof. How would changing the 14th amendment save money? How many people are in the system because of birthright citizenship who aren't paying in? There are PLENTY of ways around this.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 11, 2010 -> 07:59 PM) Does punishing a child for the actions of their parents strike you as fair? I do like how you talk about people taking risks for this country but only allow for it to count for the people you like. It happens all of the time. We send parents to jail for crimes, even if they have children. Here is a novel idea, when you are a parent, don't do stuff that could be detrimental to your family.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Aug 11, 2010 -> 04:12 PM) Speaking of male reproductive organs I just got back from the doctor. I know doctors are professionals but I still feel really awkward when I pull out my penis for someone to look at. You'd think after the first hundred or so times in that trench coat that would have gone away...