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Yeah he had nothing working in the first, but here he is in line for a win.

Nice piece of hitting by Eloy there.

It's wild watching he and Crochet absolutely dominate and thinking how much worse this season could be going.

It is 100% accurate to claim that the White Sox have not drafted and development major league talent as of today, because it literally has not happened. You might think it could be happening, but it 100% has NOT HAPPENED. Period, end of story.

I will also note here is that I keep getting mocked for the idea that the Sox are YEARS away from being decent again, let alone contending. But we are talking about 4 full drafts that have happened since the 2019 changes being referenced here and we have exactly zero bats on the roster from the 2020 draft and onward. So as I get told how quickly things can change, yet we have no one here offensively from the last 4 drafts should tell you that this isn't a quick process, even with all of the amazing changes that have taken place. Even if a qualitative change actually took place we are four and three full years since those changes took place, and we have zero to show for it, so as we look to draft this year and projecting into the future, 4 full seasons means we shouldn't expect substance from this draft to show up in that same time period going the other way, because the drafts and development since 2020 have been so successful, right? That is the middle of 2028 to start getting these guys on to the roster, and probably longer for them to actually taste success at the major league level. Otherwise you have to start declaring that these changes haven't been a panacea for what is needed. It's either you are expecting too much from the current changes, or the changes we already made aren't paying off.

Hot Vaughn was a nice thing, but it seems to be fading fast. This is his July so far, before his 0-2 today. .208/.286/.417/.702

The Sox will put up a payroll commiserate to their revenues. They just do so in an absolutely senseless way.

I am not going to say "things have changed" until things have actually changed more than someone's title. I remember saying at one point a long time ago, that a guy like Tim Anderson being drafted and developed was a sign the Sox were making gains in those areas, because I so wanted to manifest it into happening. I was 100% wrong, as it was a fluke, and not a trend. It is disingenuous to claim credit for something that hasn't actually happened yet.

I posted that article a while back, but it also sounded like that was more like what the Sox were looking for, versus offered.

The expectation is that he goes to AAA after today.

You can get away with not spending big, but you HAVE To have a minor league system which gives you cheap and quality talent on a regular basis. The Sox don't have that as of today.

So we haven't actually drafted or developed any real contributing major leaguers, but we sure hope we do soon. I know the lists of names are nice, but between a fair amount of regression by many of our top hitting prospects so far this year, and a dearth of actual quality hitting prospects, especially those we actually drafted ourselves, I am not going to be ready to say things have actually changed until we have guys at the major league level actually doing something. Listing interesting low level minor leaguers doesn't actually demonstrate change here. Developing actual average or better major leaguers actually shows progress.

He was in RCF to start to, that is a lot of range.

Wow, nice way to get out of that!

Pen is already up in the first inning. That's a worse case scenario in a DH.

24 pitches in, no outs. Twins seem to be recognizing off speed out of his hand so far, and just aren't offering.

Sox will go to 5%, and not a penny more.

His future paychecks for the next year and a half.

That is definitely fair.

If you want to have this argument, have it. I would definitely argue that Andrew Vaughn has gotten no where near his talent level. I would also argue that Sheets isn't really done much either. This misses the broader point that the Sox actually have a horrible history of drafting and developing their own talent. If they had this ability, they wouldn't be looking at one of the worst seasons in baseball history and looking to sell of their talent to acquire it from somewhere else. The whole reason this last round failed was because they couldn't develop hitters.

It is impressive to simultaneously take credit for something while disavowing it.

I guess it seems obvious to me, but I might think deeper than surface level quotes to a friendly writer.

The hitters the White Sox drafted and developed on the roster today are Danny Mendick, Gavin Sheets, and Andrew Vaughn. If that is doing well, it explains a lot.

Believe me, I really get how much we need position players right now. But the ones at the top look to all have decent flaws, some of which we can't deal with at all as an organization. What are we actually good at? Developing pitching. Seems like maybe the prudent move to me, but it is what it is.

Could very well be, but also I don't think either of those guys has the history or reputation of Clevinger.