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QUOTE (kapkomet @ Jun 3, 2009 -> 10:47 PM) If that's true (3,000 SS agents), then someone somewhere is trying to do something... I'll leave that nebulous and right there. Frankly, BearSox, if it's needed, it shouldn't be questioned. Period. We'll know it is excessive if Balta does not post any numbers from the Bush era about how many SS agents he took places from his blog collection. If they don't get posted, we know it is a lot more than normal.

Wow, impressive news to wake up to. I can't remember the last time the Sox literally had a guy force his way onto the team the way Beckham has! Welcome to Chicago buddy, now hit!

Nice moves. It makes their line up listenable.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananmen_Squ...rotests_of_1989 Amazing. I remember watching these scenes live on CNN.

QUOTE (santo=dorf @ Jun 3, 2009 -> 04:19 PM) God, heaven forbid we have some fun after losing a yet another game to a no name pitcher with some posters in the game thread quitting on the team in the 5th inning. These threads always get bumped around Memorial Day or the ASB. Usually by Knightni with a " " smilie. It's fun to review these with the amount of posters (myself included) who act like armchair GMs or managers and there are a handful who complain about it thinking the posters are trying to act like they're better than Sox management. I know it is fun to try to show up the guys you don't like, but it also gets boring after a while. Its one thing to bump a thread, but it is quite another to target specific people repeatedly. Besides if you can't take the heat of being called on it, after calling out other people, you probably take your own cute advice and lighten up yourself.

QUOTE (santo=dorf @ Jun 3, 2009 -> 04:11 PM) SS2k5, is it OK if I link a thread I started when Ozzie said BA's spot wasn't guaranteed when Wise came back and some people laughed at the idea that Ozzie has some kind of bias against Brian? Go ahead, pull it out of the favorites. Any other timely "I told you so's" in there that are relevant?

QUOTE (TheBigHurt @ Jun 3, 2009 -> 04:02 PM) WHAT point? "But we win games!" "But there are other bad managers, too!" "But... no! You're just WRONG!" "But... he won us a WS 4 years ago!" Please tell me how any of that is relevant, much less a valid POINT. I mean, come on, it's just ignorant. As I said earlier, winning doesn't always mean you played it right. That's really just common sense. No, ignorant is getting right into name calling because you don't accept someone else's point. Again the point is very simple. If Ozzie really were THAT bad of an in-game manager, the results would show on the final score. His teams would not constantly out perform their statistical expectations year in and year out. This isn't about just one game, or one player, like you make it out to be. I have years of results to back up my hypothesis. Going back and looking at the pythagaron results, the Sox play better than their expectations just about every single year. If Ozzie were nearly as stupid as you think as an in-game manager, the results would flow through into the wins and losses. It would be impossible for them not to. The wins and losses versus expected are 180 degrees different than what they should be if your theory were right. Wins and losses are an incredibly valid point because they are the ultimate result of decisions you make as a manager. Now go ahead and keep name calling and not getting my point, like you have been everyone else's for pages now...

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jun 3, 2009 -> 03:18 PM) Sorry, "less sporting". Yes, I think breaking a teammates jaw is less sporting than not shaking an opponents hand no matter what example you want to throw out there. Does that cover it?

QUOTE (TheBigHurt @ Jun 3, 2009 -> 03:36 PM) LOL how childish. Again I stand corrected. Another lazy poster with no valid point to make. I actually agree 100%. I am glad you got the point that a statement like that is lazy, childish, and makes no valid point. Maybe next time you could leave it out of your post.

QUOTE (TheBigHurt @ Jun 3, 2009 -> 03:10 PM) What you're not getting is that I'm not proposing a better idea or what should be done. I'd just appreciate it if instead of trying to argue around facts and make up s*** that someone could just ACKNOWLEDGE that what I'm saying about Ozzie's constant mismanagement is true. We don't need to talk a bout who we should get instead, who's better, what a better situation is, etc. because that's not what I'm talking about. As usual, you as a defender are bringing up irrelevant points. ALL I'M SAYING is that Ozzie is a bad in-game manager, and THAT'S IT; not who is better, not comparisons to other managers, no proposing a situation, just laying out a small fact. THAT'S ALL. /End rant. Continue your denial and arguing around the point as Im sure you will. See by burying your head in the sand to any point but your own that points other than your own ARE relevant. How many titles/divisions/games a manager wins IS an important metric, especially when compared to how many games they should have won with the teams they had. It is really easy to make up key factors that you see as relevant, while ignoring the fact that at the end of the day, a managers final judgement of worth is made on how many games they win. No one gives a s*** about someone who makes the "right" calls about platoon players, but wins 65 games. It is an arbitrary argument that the only standards for judgements are your own. Gee I wonder how the results of that will turn out. If he was THAT bad of an in-game manager, the Sox wouldn't constantly our perform what the statistical analysis of his team shows they would show do. Winning games IS EXACTLY what good in-game managers do. I don't know how much more relevant you can get to being a good manager than winning the damned games.

QUOTE (TheBigHurt @ Jun 3, 2009 -> 03:12 PM) He's referring to me. I'm not saying Ozzie shouldn't ever be detracted, I'm just fed up with people who have to change the subject, attack Ozzie pointlessly and can't just ADMIT that Ozzie makes a lot of really COLOSSAL achievements. Edited for the other point of view.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jun 3, 2009 -> 02:27 PM) If we agreed to scrap, I would more than welcome a couple of shots and I would shake your hand afterwards as well. Your story just isnt accurate regarding Jordan, he didnt go up and assault his teammates. Do you think that Olin Kreutz is a dirtball too? He broke his teammates jaw. Would you like to point out to me where I said Jordan was a dirtball?

Don Cooper just called the guy an asshole. I don't think we are dealing for him.

QUOTE (TheBigHurt @ Jun 3, 2009 -> 02:31 PM) I stand corrected. I guess I rest my case. There's just no point anymore. Denial is not a river in the Amazon. I don't see how asking people to actually make a VALID POINT is being "insulting" or "pushing a line." You'll have to explain that one to me. Again, as another poster here said, I'm waiting for someone to add something to the discussion instead of blind praise for a man who has clearly showed his ignorance, ineptness and incompetence in his managing. Ok, yeah, we have a good record in the last 5 years or so, we won a series, we won the division MIRACULOUSLY last year. But yet that has NOTHING to do with the simple fact he's not that good a manager. Whether some of you believe it or not, it's just changing the subject. JUST BECAUSE YOU WIN DOESN'T MEAN YOU ALWAYS PLAYED IT RIGHT. That's the point. "Yeah, but we won!" doesn't mean it was played well. The term "winning ugly" was invented for a reason. It seems kinda like this around here: Ozzie's managing is atrocious! "Other managers are bad too, so it's okay!" Ozzie's being a complete idiot! "But we won, so no, he's a GREAT manager!" So as I said, stop with the "Well, we win games!" it may be true but in the end it has nothing to do with the point. I'm just saying that Ozzie's managing is atrocious. Somehow in many of your minds that simply isn't true because of our overall record. All you are doing is denying the truth and changing the subject. So how many games does the Sox have to win before its the fans, and not Ozzie, who doesn't know what they are doing? Or what exact arbitrary method do you have for measuring a manager?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jun 3, 2009 -> 02:02 PM) He'd hit if he played more. Its not easy when you are getting 19 AB a month. He'd play more if he could stop a baseball with something other than his wrist.

QUOTE (kyyle23 @ Jun 3, 2009 -> 01:52 PM) I think a bigger part of the problem with Thornton in Seattle is a lack of direction. They wanted him to start, middle relief, long relief. It wasnt until he got to the Sox where they said "You are a lefty setup guy, go do it" His walk numbers were MacDougal-esque. I don't know if that would have changed with a defined role or not, but they were over 6.5 per nine innings pitched. That is just scary.

QUOTE (ChiSox420* @ Jun 3, 2009 -> 01:52 PM) Betemit's bat I THINK I can live with but god forbid he ever gets anywhere near the left side of the infield again I may lose my mind. Betemit needs to be given the Thome status hes a DH and if he NEEDS to be on the field have him at 1st. But GO SOX I think Clayton really brings it today and we start a new and prolonged winning streak!!!! That is the thing that is killing me about Betamit, he isn't hitting either! At least if he was generating runs, you could justify his existence on our roster. With Nix around to play 3B, I'd rather see Lillibridge around than Betemit. Yup, I said it. At least Brent can stop a baseball with a glove.

QUOTE (kapkomet @ Jun 3, 2009 -> 11:28 AM) Soooo... "America is one of the largest muslim countries in the world"... and during the campaign, Obama's dad was "agnostic or atheist" but now he's muslim, along with Obama's grandmother? Funny how the story changes when he goes over there to give a major speech to the Muslim world. And, for the record, religion doesn't matter to me, but it's funny how the story's changing now to benefit his circumstances. How many apologies for the United States are we going to have in the speech tommorow? There has got to be a drinking game in there somewhere...

QUOTE (kyyle23 @ Jun 3, 2009 -> 12:15 PM) agreed. Same thing was repeated about MacDougal too, and he never regained any semblance of the control and effectiveness that he had when the Sox gave him that contract. Sometimes guys just never are able to keep it together Matt Thornton had the same problems in Seattle.

QUOTE (Lemon_44 @ Jun 3, 2009 -> 01:44 PM) realism is that he's had 1 losing record in 5 years and averages 87 wins per year. I guess if he didn't mismanage the team team so bad he'd be averaging 95+wins/ year. Not to mention he outpreforms pythagaron by a good margin pretty much every year.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jun 3, 2009 -> 11:18 AM) Punching teammates at practice when they made up afterwards is more classless than not having sportsmanship on the court? That seems a bit backwards to me. LeBron's act is alot like the act of Thomas and company when they walked off after the Bulls beat the Pistons in the playoffs, I would put LeBron on about the same level at Isiah Thomas as far as class at the moment. Yes, I know it is crazy, but I find acts of violence less sporting than not shaking someones hand after a series. If you like, I could just punch you, but shake your hand afterwards if that would make you feel better.

QUOTE (TheBigHurt @ Jun 3, 2009 -> 01:39 PM) Yeah, I haven't been able to watch many games lately, but when I have I think, "Where the hell is Getz?" So can someone fill me in on what's up with that? Hopefully not ANOTHER Ozzie blunder. He twisted an ankle during the last series, he is out for at least the A's series.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jun 3, 2009 -> 11:50 AM) Speaking of which, I saw the box, looks like Whisler put in a good inning. Anyone actually get to watch him? How did he look? Since everyone else was too busy on Brian and Dewayne to field a good question, I'll take it. He looked a little shaky for the first couple of batters, and had trouble finding the zone, but I will chalk that up to nerves. He did get better as the inning went on. Solid, but not spectacular.

I've never done it, but I believe they line up near one of the baselines after the game to have the parade.

QUOTE (klaus kinski @ Jun 3, 2009 -> 12:28 PM) Next time someone is DL'd this may happen-they will be launching Corky off the 40, right? It has already been done. Ramon Castro replaced him.