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QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Apr 28, 2009 -> 11:20 AM) I think we are talking about the same thing, 6 in one/half a dozen in the other. I was using prontation to describe the 3 different types, Over/Under(supination)/Neutral. You are correct, over is far more common than the others. For those who are curious look at the bottom of a well-worn pair of your shoes. If it looks like one side or another has more ware than the rest, you probably have an un-even gait. Left uncorrected it can lead to ankle, knee, hip, and/or back problems.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 30, 2009 -> 01:27 PM) If the contagious phase and the symptomatic phase don't happen at the same time, then it's true. And we are stopping neither at the borders. Thanks for reaffirming my point.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Apr 30, 2009 -> 01:09 PM) Someone mentioned elsewhere that the one of the DH games had an attendance of 0 in the MLB books, so that brings down our average. I believe the same poster said that we were averaging around 28K a game before that, which is an increase from last year. Even if you add in that game with a full attendence of the 25,042, that only brings the average up to 26694 or just about 100 more per game. But the reality is that they DID lose all revenues from one game, should we ignore that? QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 30, 2009 -> 01:23 PM) The White Sox attendance was ahead of last years' pace until the rainout wiped out a game. A goose egg with only about 11 dates will hurt the average. I love how you tell me the revenue picture I paint isn't real, yet the only picture you come up with is the one KW and JR give you. They cut the second most in the major leagues this past offseason and JR when crying about the lost sponsorships said it would not affect White Sox payroll. Then he said KW had a 3 year board.....You want to bet it isn't slashed an even larger amount next season? They also had 3 bonus gates last year, all sellouts. So if they planned to break exactly even last year, those bonus gates would cover the Motorola loss wouldn't it, considering they said Motorola would have to let 10 people go if they continued with the sponsorship. According to Forbes, and KW references Forbes when it says their revenue to payroll ratio is the best in baseball, they have made over $70 million in profit the past 3 seasons combined. Of course the White Sox would say Forbes doesn't have any idea what its talking about when they come up with those numbers. The most recent figures now have the team worth $450 million up to 10th in the majors. KW talking about making the games day games because they can't afford the electric bill is trash. I'm not asking him to boost the payroll to $200 million. But when good players are available for bargain prices, don't insult the fanbase and say guys like Owens, and Lillibridge and Wise are as good or better than the players available. Don't tell the fanbase you thought about signing Jon Garland but realized you had the exact same pitcher in Jeff Marquez. It just isn't true. Here's an example: I wanted Juan Cruz bad. He would have cost a first round pick. So what. You save the bonus you have to give to that pick and get an established major leaguer at a bargain price. The bullpen is nails. You don't have to deal with the MacDougals and Egberts and Broadways. I don't know why I waste my time when you argument is always you are such a JR and KW luver, lolz. The irony is that you're always on the JR and KW suck no matter what happens side of things. Unless you have their records in front of you, I'd love to know whom else we should be listening to on what the team is making... I guess I could always take the word of the person who talks about how cheap the organization is, and how stupid its management and ownership is an objective source of information. Anyways, the profit #'s would be compelling if they weren't always followed by a raise in payroll the next year. The worth of the team means nothing to what the payroll is. GM is worth billions, but it doesn't mean they have a dime to their name. You should know that. The playoff #'s could also be compelling , but you also have to keep in mind that a large chunk of that money flows back to the players in the form of playoff bonuses, and to MLB. All of the KW screwed up here, here, and here stuff is a complete misdirect away from the original point, and has nothing to do with the bottom line of organizational revenues. It is completely immaterial and just distracts from what the organization is taking in is less than the year before. Unless you have the books, I don't know how you can argue otherwise with the economic reality of 2009, coupled with the fall in attendance and the fall of sponsorships.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Apr 30, 2009 -> 01:00 PM) WHO =! Obama Administration. They are the ones saying closing borders doesn't work. And our administration isn't doing anything to stop even infected people from coming into the country. Are you really trying to tell me that stopping people who have the infection does nothing to stop the flu from spreading more here? That is pretty counter intuitive if you ask me.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Apr 30, 2009 -> 07:34 AM) Joey the 6th grader knew there were problems with this line-up when Dewayne Wise was leading off. He also knew Jerry Owens was garbage. There were lots of options available this winter. The White Sox, despite chairman Reinsdorf's comment that the 2008 team was "not a fun team to watch" decided slashing payroll, despite raising ticket prices was the way to go. Sometimes you do get what you pay for. KW talks about some aggressive approach. With a division that includes KC, Minnesota and the economy damaged cities of Cleveland and Detroit, and season ticket sales ahead of last year's pace, it was time to put the pedal to the metal. No one is going to have a perfect roster, but to expect 4 or 5 miracles is a stretch. That said, this team could win 83 games and win the division and the WS, like STL in 2006. The ride just won't be as enjoyable. Thank God they aren't in the AL East. They would have no chance. So going back to all of the economy/attendance/payroll arguements we had over the winter, I actually went in and checked what our attendance #'s looked like this year so far, to the same point last year. Through 12 games this year we are averaging 24,608. Through the same point last year, we averaged 26,095. In other words there are about 10% less people at ballgames this year. Couple that reality with the big losses in sponsorships that Jerry has been talking about, and this franchise could have been in major trouble financially, if they hadn't have made the move to raise revenues and cuts costs somehow. It might not be the best thing for the team on the field, but the reality is that the Sox were either going to cut a little bit now, or a whole helluva a lot later. Watch and see the losses that Detroit is going to take this year, and the huge purge that is going to take place up there, and tell me if you would rather see that happen here, or the way that JR and the Sox have done things. The revenue picture you are trying to paint just isn't real. At best the Sox are probably even on ticket revenue (with the fall at the turnstiles getting balanced by the raise in ticket prices), and losing money on concessions, parking, and advertising versus last year.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 30, 2009 -> 11:49 AM) Normally my instinct would be to totally agree, but there's one thing that's bugging me; the WHO's decision to move to an alert that's 1 stage below calling it a full blown pandemic (the stage 5 thing they did yesterday). Given all the data that's publicly out there, the confirmed numbers of infected, the fact that they're trying to move the casualty numbers down and seemingly tell people it's not as scary as it's being made out to be, that's an official move in the opposite direction by an org that I'm hoping has at least some semblance of an idea of what they're doing, or at least which would be questioned loudly if they were obviously making a mistake. If they're moving the alert up when all the signals are saying "it doesn't look that bad right now", it kinda makes me wonder what they know that I don't. And on top of it they aren't stopping any infected people from coming into the country... That is so completely inconsistent. It tells me that this administration has no idea how to react, and it is covering all of their bases, from panic, to acting like there isn't a problem.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 30, 2009 -> 11:24 AM) Chrysler's bondholders refuse the deal, Chrysler is filing bankruptcy as we speak. The government seems to be trying to use the bankruptcy judge to enforce the deal that they wanted. Small note...if you wanted to send a message to GM's bondholders, shouldn't you go to the bankruptcy procedure and argue for an even worse deal than the one you offered them? Make it clear that holding out only makes things worse for them. It was bound to happen. You can give the guys who are keeping the company afloat the worst deal out of everyone involved. Its shortsighted, and only encourages the further contraction of lending, especially in dangerous sectors, such as automotive.

QUOTE (FlaSoxxJim @ Apr 30, 2009 -> 09:49 AM) I think the US and global public health infrastructure responses have been measured and appropriate so far. If media response to the emerging pandemic is overblown. . . well that is par for the course for the media. QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Apr 30, 2009 -> 10:50 AM) This pisses me off. I don't want to Buster-ize this thread, but, I have to point this out. Joe Biden is telling people that they should avoid flying, and the subway, because of the swine flu. STFU Joe. LMAO!

I just read that the masks do nothing because the virus is too small to be filtered by them anyway... lol.

I am really interesting to see what Daniel's fate is. Remember the island earlier made sure that what was supposed to happen, would still happen, think back to Charlie and how many times he was supposed to die, but Desmond saved him. If he is supposed to get everyone Back to the Future, can the island really allow him to be dead? It ought to be interesting.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 28, 2009 -> 10:25 PM) Sometimes experts do have an idea what they're talking about. Do they here? I don't have a clue. Here's another way to word it: cost/benefit. Having gone through that border a couple times, unless the drug war has dramatically disrupted it, giving people a health check would make it go from taking hours to get across the border to taking days. If you're going to take those kind of steps, they're right, it needs to be a lot more effective than it actually is. I didn't say CLOSE THE BORDER. And if we don't need to be doing much, and this is so ordinary, why are we getting an extra billion and a half for this non-crisis?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 28, 2009 -> 02:36 PM) Currently the WHO is not yet recommending any sort of travel restrictions (as was done with SARS as that outbreak developed.) Here's their reasoning: So stopping people who are infected won't help... Brilliant.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Apr 28, 2009 -> 02:56 PM) Major? That was like a case of the sniffles. Well the deficit is about 6 to 7 times what is was when the Dems were campaigning against it.

QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Apr 28, 2009 -> 02:27 PM) That's the inherent problem with the GOP right now. Complete isolationism. If you dont 100% walk the party line, then we dont want you. This was the argument I put forward in the GOP Rally the Base thread I stated a while back. I think the more you try and narrow the funnel, the harder it is for you to be a viable political party. might as well just blow the whole thing up and start two new parties. This is really a debate for that thread, not this one. but you get my point. I'd happy call myself a republican if they would open up their umbrella beyond strict "Christan" values and analy-conservative fiscal and governmental size policy. With all due respect, that is a load of crap. I posted an article about the Dems targeting people who haven't followed the Obama agenda in Congress and supporting people to run against those incumbents. QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Apr 28, 2009 -> 02:29 PM) And there is actually a PLAN to move forward and cut the deficit. It's short term hurt, for long term gain. Except the plan is based on wildly optimistic assumptions that have about zero historical chance of actually coming true. Ever stop and think how come no one stopped to apply the stress test to our budget, and not just the banks?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Apr 28, 2009 -> 02:16 PM) One could certainly argue that the economic conditions have changed from the period about 1.5 years ago. That sure didn't change Democrats opinion of the budget after 9-11. For some reason after a major Democratic recession and a terror attack on US soil we weren't supposed to be running deficits, because they sure as heck have used that as a major talking point ever since then. I take it things are different now?

This series is over without Ben Gordon.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Apr 28, 2009 -> 02:07 PM) Sullivan That kinda goes the other way too... The Dems who just a year ago were screaming about the debt and the deficit are now supporting trillion dollar deficits are far as the eye can see.

QUOTE (Flash Tizzle @ Apr 28, 2009 -> 12:58 PM) No one in the United States has died yet from contracting the disease. Hell, we all may be better off getting it now and building some resistance in the event it mutates. Although I'd have to believe, even if the mortality rate was 100% they wouldn't close the borders. You'd just end up with people illegally crossing to receive medical treatment, or something resembling a movie where border crossings become war zones between migrants and soldiers. Didn't someone within the government say something to the effect of "containment would do nothing" and "its already too late." Well, yeah -- that's what happens with viruses; they spread quickly. Especially those which have incubation periods of a few days. It proves to me if the worst were to occur and millions began dropping, we'd just be writing our own version of The Stand soon enough. The government wouldn't do s***. Just look at this swine flu and how quickly it seems to have jumped across the US. The belief is that the US strain has already mutated, down to a less lethal form. The real danger would be someone bringing in the more dangerous Mexican strain, which we aren't even caring about preventing. I can't imagine it would be too difficult to check people coming back from Mexico to see if they are having a fever, like they are doing in Asia, and then going from there.

So lets hear it from the fans themselves. What are the things you do that make things better when you go to a Sox game. Is there a special street parking area that is free? How about a place to stop and eat before the game in the area? Is there a special vendor who hooks you up? Is there a section that offers the best view of the game? Spill your secrets!

QUOTE (dmbjeff @ Apr 28, 2009 -> 02:03 AM) I saw on opening day that they are now selling a 2.4 inch meatball sandwich at the cell now. what food stand would i find this at? any help would be greatly appreciated. QUOTE (Tmar @ Apr 28, 2009 -> 07:53 AM) My pants.

I think the Hawks can hold their own against Luongo as long as we see the Khabi of the last two games. There will be a lot more open ice in this series which bodes well for our boys.

QUOTE (Cknolls @ Apr 28, 2009 -> 10:47 AM) I would like to know if the gov't. will track how many people lose their private health coverage when the Obama abomination passes. I'll venture a guess and say 50 million within 10 years. And that is probably optimistic. They know that. It also gives them the opening to "give" people health insurance down the road.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 28, 2009 -> 07:37 AM) Cubano, I was joking. I think it's funny when people add vowels to the end of words and think they're getting Italian or Spanish somehow. The noun/adjective structure doesn't work as well, either. Titan de bronze would be Bronze Titan in English, not Titan of Bronze. Are you really giving a guy whose native language is Spanish, a lesson in Spanish?

QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Apr 25, 2009 -> 03:23 PM) Another tip for the runners who get into long distance. Its on your shoe purchase. Make sure that you get a good shoe, and make sure it matches your strike pattern and pronation. Pronation is how your foot rotates and distributes weight when it lands. You can get your gait analyzed at a running specialty store, and then make a better choice on your shoe. pronation means you fall to the outside of your foot. Supination means you fall to the inside of your foot. They do make shoes that correct both of these, though pronation is WAY more common.

QUOTE (mr_genius @ Apr 27, 2009 -> 05:11 PM) http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090427/ap_on_...asury_borrowing .... No big surprise there. Its only going to get worse too.