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He's 2 years younger than Judge was and plays a plus CF still. He won't get the AAV that Judge did, but I venture somebody will give him 10 plus years simply because he's the best OF under 30 on the market by a mile that can actually field and hit above average.

Feeling resigned to the fate that the org decides to trade for Salvy and sign Whit. I don't see how this squad isn't really bad for at least 3-5 years. My sense is the off-season results in a 26 man akin to this, and this is how Getz and co. will spin it. It will be a bloodbath for 5th place in the worst division in the sport. Decline TA option - Re-sign Andrus or bring in Amed Rosario as a bridge to Montgomery Trade Eloy to offset Salvy contract assuming KC doesn't pitch in for it for lower level pitching prospects or reclamation projects - Salvy splits time between C/DH/1B and Sox brass lauds how he is mentoring Lee and Quero for the next 2 years, decline the club option in '26 Sign Whit to play 2B and provide more "athleticism" Trayce Thompson offered arbitration as 4th OF and backup CF option. Adds insurance if Colas continues to suck in RF, Trayce will suck equally, but provide a better glove and be a solid veteran clubhouse/leadership/platoon guy SP - Pick up Clevinger option, will claim they tried to sign at least two of Giolito, Flaherty, Montas, Severino, will be lucky to get 1 Sheets remains and DH's vs RHP C- Salvy 1B - Vaughn 2B - Whit 3B - Yoan SS - Andrus or Rosario LF - 10D CF - Robert RF - Colas DH - Sheets/Trayce Ben: Lee/Sheets/Sosa or Remillard/Trayce SPs: Cease/Clevinger/Kopech/1 of FAs above/(revolving door of suck - Touki, Schoultens, Deivi Garcia types) RP: Bummer, Crochet, Banks, Santos, Peralta, Shaw, (2 of the revolving door of suck guys)

If CPD backtracks on their 8/28 statement, Jerry needs to be investigated and ideally arrested for bribing a public official. It's clear as day the shot(s) came from inside the park, but hey, it's the Chicago way.

The only hope I cling to is Jerry is clearing out the old guard and anybody that makes money to avoid any potential albatross on or off field personnel that may hinder a sale of the team in the next 3-5 years. During that time frame I expect nothing but pain and a redux of the "The Kids Can Play!" era.

We’re seriously at this level of cope? TA lost the fight because Jose had batting gloves on? A quick product search tells me Franklin batting gloves are less than 1 mm thick.

ah yeah, it’s us fans that are the problem and not the clown that flicks them off and throws hands, wild take

This I believe the rumor was they entertained talks for a short period and Lucas wanted $125-$150M and the Sox were closer to $50M so they didn't even bother discussing further.

Elvis has to lead the league in balls called strikes on him this year, it’s really something

and the last long term viable 2B to play in this organization sadly

I think he can still be a very good, but not elite hitter. His baseball savant numbers are interesting. Still hitting the ball hard, he historically has struggled with sliders and mashed fastballs, in 2023 he's got a 7 run value on sliders, but -3 on 4 seamers. BABIP is the lowest of his career thus far, I still have some hope he can be more consistent. If he's a .250-.270 guy with 25-30 HRs and 70-100 RBI's I'm fine with that, but it would be better if he learned to draw some walks. Those numbers aren't going to thrill the folks with the lofty expectations of the 3rd overall pick however.

MJ should buy the Sox out of spite now, could he be any worse an owner than JR?

The Dodgers active payroll goes from about $229M in '23 to about $110M in '24. Difficult to imagine he lands anywhere else.

Probably, either way he's brutal the 3rd time through the order

a smart org would make him an opener or multi inning reliever

I think MLB needs to take a serious look at the "Driveline" school and those like it and what they are doing to pitchers. They claim they work in proper mechanics, but the weighted ball training and focus on velocity and spin probably has a correlation to increased arm injuries. The flip side to that argument is modern medicine has allowed a larger swath of players to continue playing, whereas back before modern TJS if you blew out your elbow you were done for life, so only the genetic freaks were able to have long sustained careers. Now we have more talent, but more injury prone players making the bigs.

Ugh man, forgot about that rumor. Was it Madrigal and Crochet and then they wanted Vaughn and that killed the deal, or am I misremembering?

Yeah that seemed like a miss there. 28 years old, woulda been worth a shot. Wonder if his covid policy breaking antics with Clevinger weighed into that decision.

somebody needs to teach him to watch the fielders in addition to the ball

I know it's not the be all end all so take it for what it's worth, but Baseball Trade Values website had TA in May '23 as a 46.0 trade value, today he is rated at 5.7.

He's looked stiff as hell the last few weeks, I'll give him a shred of credit for trying to gut it out but this is probably for the best with the record and the way Jake is swinging it. Just hope he doesn't need surgery, he looked like he was swinging pretty free and easy in the Houston series to start the season, hadn't seen him look that limber/strong in a long time.

Lol, this squad is really filled with some of the most unlikable losers in my life. Other than Burger, the only guys I find myself really pulling for are Vaughn, Romy, Santos, and Middleton...and Liam

Not to beat a dead horse here, but I know how fWAR works, my point was about 43% of Luis's fWAR comes from his glove over his career, for TA it's closer to 13%. Compare TA to LF's (where he belongs) and I doubt he'd be #3 on your chart.

he’s in elite company, min 100 ab leaders

and Luis is in the HOF because of his glove, TAs value is only that high in your chart because the organization lets him play a position he has no business playing, but that a whole other argument.