Dick Allen

QUOTE (iamshack @ Nov 29, 2014 -> 12:45 PM) And then someone originally described as his best friend tweeted "best of luck in Oakland, bud." Turned out to not likely be anyone he knew. There was another asking if he was on his way to Oakland. I don't know how much AA guys follow offseason moves and news. I just wonder why he wouldn't respond if it meant something else rather than deleting everything I am sure we will find our fairly soon whether he meant what some of us think he may have meant.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Nov 29, 2014 -> 12:20 PM) Some of it can be miles. However its really more the age. As you get older the blood flow decreases throughout the body. The rotator cuff is in a vulnerable position due to the way it turns down from the scapula to the humerus. This is why it is such a common injury . In this deal if you want proven pitching you need to give up quality. I get that, I just think the Sox need to hang on to the quality, and they can still pick up their target in a year. If they don't want to wait, they have to make 2015 more than just a half assed or 3/4 assed attempt to win. They have to really be "all in".

QUOTE (Knuckles @ Nov 29, 2014 -> 12:04 PM) Rick Hahn will not trade a promising SS Anderson for one year of Samardijza. Relax. I wouldn't think so, but Anderson's tweet is causing havoc.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Nov 29, 2014 -> 12:06 PM) That's true at any age. It's the nature of overhead athletes. I agree. They talk about his background. He doesn't have the "miles" on him most do at his age, but there are guys who are younger with a lot less "miles" than he has currently that are done or in the process of being done. It can go at anytime, although with some of these guys, you have to like their chances of staying fairly healthy. Maybe he is one of them. I do remember Alex Fernandez. He is one guy the White Sox were willing to go really long term on back in the days they were going 3 years max and they mentioned his mechanics. I think his agent was Boras, so it didn't work out. He blew out in Miami pretty quickly.

QUOTE (mataipaepae @ Nov 29, 2014 -> 11:58 AM) Who cares. He has 6 good years still left in him. This isn't football. 30 isn't old in baseball. With pitchers, you never know.

QUOTE (Fantl916 @ Nov 29, 2014 -> 11:52 AM) Speaking of Gavin Floyd, this whole rumor factory around this samardjiza deal stinks of the Gavin Floyd to Toronto bs from a couple years back. Everyone has sources and is throwing all kinda of ish against the wall at this point to see what sticks. Still haven't heard a peep from any notable baseball writer/reporter on the sox being involved. This is all spinning of Susan sussler's singular mention. Think everyone needs to temper their excitement. This thread started over 3 weeks ago when Rosenthal mentioned the Sox and Samardijia.

QUOTE (Knuckles @ Nov 29, 2014 -> 11:45 AM) Thought it's about winning championships... While it is true, there has to be a mix. The White Sox could trade Sale and Abreu and Quintana today and wind up with the top farm system in baseball. It won't help them at all in Chicago when 8k are at a Sunday afternoon game watching them lose, but some would be happy to hang their hat on a high ranking. That said, you do need some talent in your system. Especially when you can't support a $170 million payroll. If they are trading Anderson, I hope they are right. A SS with 6 years of control at rookie and arb rates, if this guy reaches his potential, saves huge cash.

The White Sox don't have enough prospects to get Samardjia and Upton in the same deal. And they are both 1 year rentals at this time. I read something the other day where Atlanta was initially making it a necessity to take BJ Upton if you wanted Justin.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 29, 2014 -> 11:38 AM) Stocking your minors with quality SS prospects is like burying gold for later And a lot of minor league SS wind up at different positions as they advance.

QUOTE (scs787 @ Nov 29, 2014 -> 11:31 AM) Just noticed the A's top prospect is a AA SS. Kinda odd they'd be looking at adding another, esp. after adding Barreto. Maybe Barreto would be part of the trade, if this is even something. Or maybe even Lawrie. Lawrie seems like the type of player the White Sox would have been coveting.

QUOTE (Jake @ Nov 29, 2014 -> 11:27 AM) Samardzija isn't even that good, for Christ's sake If you sign him to an extension, you also will probably be sporting a 35 or 36 year old Shark on your roster in the future. I wouldn't want to pay market prices for him either.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Nov 29, 2014 -> 11:15 AM) Maybe but what is wrong with a trade with prospect that is a couple of years away, if he makes it all for a proven #2 or 3 starting mlb pitcher? If the sox get an extension that is. I think Anderson has more value than that. Especially since Samardjia isn't even signed past 2015. It worked out trading highly thought of prospects for Freddy Garcia. Even though 2 of 3 were busts, it didn't work out trading for Nick Swisher. The way pitching is really starting to dominate, I think the Sox are better off keeping Anderson, signing a back end guy, and if they still want Samardjia, sign him next winter.

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Nov 29, 2014 -> 11:01 AM) Hmmm. So the question is did he delete it because he realized he would cause a s*** storm and he meant something else, or because he is really traded and is not supposed to let it go public until it is announced. If he is gone, and Samardjia is all that is coming back, this waiting years to build a foundation is BS. He is the one guy the drafted who actually seems to be developing.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Nov 29, 2014 -> 10:56 AM) Anderson's friend tweeted at him "best of luck to you in Oakland bud" There were 2 Oakland responses and they seem to be deleted now.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 29, 2014 -> 09:22 AM) All of that stuff could be quite true but go into some details on the argument. They're both first year arb guys next year. Lawrie will be slightly cheaper...because he's done far less. If he starts performing like Donaldson, his salary would catch up in the 2nd year. And if Lawrie starts performing well enough that you'd want to keep him for several years...the A's have given up a year of team control. So the As give up a year of team control on a near MVP caliber guy 4 years away from FA and immediately get worse to bring in a couple "wild cards" as you guys describe them. For a team always financially strapped, giving up a year of team control seems silly. Even if Donaldson was trending down, man I have to think I'd be thrilled if the White Sox gave up a comparable package. But the way Beane operates, none of these guys are long term A's. The extra year of control isn't as important as the few million in savings and hoping Lawrie can stay healthy, and at least one of the other three becoming a true asset. I don't think anyone would have been upset if the White Sox sent a similar package for Donaldson. But there is a reason Oakland did it. They either think he is going to fall off, Lawrie is ready to explode, or there is something they will be able to do with the extra couple of million they will save.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Nov 29, 2014 -> 09:20 AM) Except the Shark. There should be no limit to the value of being graced with his presence for just a mere year. I have never been a fan of his. I also don't think the White Sox line up well player-wise to trade for him. It does seem the White Sox have had a hard on for him for a couple of years, but I think if they want him, wait a year.

Or maybe it is just trying to read the crystal ball. Donaldson was great, but he was down in almost every offensive category from the year before, is getting paid more, and while still was outsatnding, he may be starting to slide. Lawrie is cheaper and younger and if he can stay healthy, a big if, might evenbe better moving forward, plus you get 3 lottery tickets. For the 2014 season it would have been a huge downgrade, but moving forward, maybe not. Donaldson has a career arc that is pretty uncommon. He was virtually nothing until he was 27. Then he became MVP caliber. We have all written off guys who had shown just as much or even more up until that age.

QUOTE (Brian @ Nov 29, 2014 -> 07:23 AM) If it happens, hoping for 3 way deal, otherwise we'd probably have to give up Micah Or Anderson, right? I doubt Hahn would trade Anderson. Micah, maybe, but I think Semien is probably trade bait. They seem to prefer Micah over him. I just don't know what else they would have to give up. I would imagine if it is significant, they, like when they traded for Freddy, would be very confident in an extension.

QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Nov 29, 2014 -> 12:25 AM) FWIW, you guys are right. A lot going on. The next week or two will be very active. Rick and Beane have been in talks all week. Dodgers cooled off. Still heavy talks with Reds and Rockies as well. LOL.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Nov 28, 2014 -> 04:10 PM) An eligible free agent who is clearly good enough to play not getting signed would bring a collusion lawsuit from the union pretty quickly. He comes with tons of baggage. He still knocked his now wife out.He also averaged 3.1 yds a carry last year and hasn't played in months. Good luck with that lawsuit.

QUOTE (flavum @ Nov 28, 2014 -> 12:37 PM) I agree, but that's just the way it is. Bench players and run of the mill bullpen arms bounce around. Danks hasn't bounced yet, but it's probably mostly because his name is Danks. They do have time and money invested in him. Maybe he will be a trade throw in. I just doubt these guys were brought in to replace him or battle for a job, because frankly, it isn't even an upgrade. If any of them are getting much playing time with the White Sox, either a lot of people got hurt or it is garbage time.

QUOTE (flavum @ Nov 28, 2014 -> 12:33 PM) He could, but at this point it might be that time to move on for everyone involved. 28. Not that good. 5 years in Charlotte. If he's going to be a journeyman, it's about that time to move along. The thing is, these guys they signed are in the same boat, or maybe in one leaking more water. Losing Jordan Danks isn't going to matter, but neither is Shuck or Campana. They suck just as much.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Nov 28, 2014 -> 12:08 PM) I wouldn't have done it, but that was the story. If the Sox were even thinking about getting Votto, they wouldn't have signed LaRoche obviously. But Votto hitting 3rd with Abreu 4th would be quite a dynamic duo. That's all I'm saying.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Nov 28, 2014 -> 12:28 PM) I believe Danks has an option left, so he can be sent to AAA if he does not win the 4th OF job. I know you are correct, but it does seem like Danks should have been out of options years ago. Campana is minor league fodder. It isn't for Chicago.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Nov 28, 2014 -> 11:49 AM) That would be pretty bad. I would guess LaRoche would fare better at 3B than Abreu or Votto. He'd be like Mike Squires. LH 3B.