Dick Allen

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Jun 4, 2013 -> 10:44 AM) Yep, I get tired of the showing emotion=they care. Kids and parents have bought into that crap and amateur sports have become a cesspool of incivility. I didn't even think of that, but you are right, there is nothing uglier than someone coaching 10 year olds thinking he or she is playing for a world championship, and expecting them to perform like they are making millions.

I've seen a lot of posts wanting Ventura yelling and screaming at players and umpires, thinking that makes a difference. Where you work are the most effective bosses people who yell and scream at their employees if the results haven't been what they expect? Do you yourself respond better when being yelled at?

Asdrubal Cabrera just hurt his knee or leg. It looks like he may be out a while.

QUOTE (balfanman @ Jun 3, 2013 -> 09:03 AM) I agree with this. Now that Beckham is back middle infield should be better. I think the time has come to play your best centerfielder on a consistant basis. Put Jordan Danks in center everyday and see what he can do. It's not like you're going to lose much offensively the way DeAza & Viciedo have been playing. DeAza can play left while Viciedo splits time with DeAza (lf) & Dunn (dh) until one of them gets hot or proves that they need to play everyday somewhere. I think that this could relax our pitchers a bit as well because they wouldn't have to feel they need to strike everyone out and pitch more to contact knowing that they have a defense that can help them out. Ironically, Jordan Danks made an awful play in CF yesterday. As bad as the defense has been, if they could score more runs, they still would be OK. I don't know how inserting Jordan Danks into the line up every day will make the offense better. The Sox have already lost 10 games in which they allowed 3 runs or less.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 3, 2013 -> 08:26 AM) Viciedo wasn't a gold glover, but he's taken a small step backwards so far this year. I agree with that, but it's not like it's been a huge difference. The problem is up the middle the Sox have been pretty bad. De Aza, I don't know what happened to him, and again, it really began last year. No Beckham has made 2B an awful postion defensively for the Sox and whoever plays there, the ball seems to find. And Flowers has been terrible, he has reverted to the defensive model he had when he was acquired. Having Dunn use a glove more often hasn't helped either.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 3, 2013 -> 07:57 AM) The remarkable thing continues to be...these same players were much, much better defensively last year. It's like they forgot to practice it. De Aza began sliding when he said he preferred LF last year. Viciedo has never been and will never be a gold glover. Ramirez has been fine as has Rios. Other than that, it's been different players. Gillaspie has been really good. Keppinger and Greene and Dunn and Flowers have been awful. The only one who had a reputation as a good defensive player was Flowers and that was in a part time, very limited role. He has struggled defensively before. As bad as the defense has been, if they had any type of offense up until now, they would be battling for the lead in the division. It's crazy. They are closer to first place than the Nationals.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 3, 2013 -> 08:01 AM) Who's the one hitting too many fly balls? DeAza, one would assume. It certainly isn't Dunn.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jun 3, 2013 -> 07:42 AM) KW gets blame for the Dunn signing, because he let Ozzie run the asylum. There was zero reason that Mark Kotsay should have been an everyday player, yet KW let Ozzie make the decision. In turn, the Sox didn't keep Thome, who killed them in Minnesota, and they panicked in need for a slugging lefty in the middle of the order and signed Dunn. This is the truth. Thome was willing to play 2010 for peanuts. Ozzie didn't want a DH. Thome has a huge year in Minnesota, the next year the Sox need a DH, they sign Dunn. If they had kept Thome, they would have re-signed him assuming he was anywhere near as effective as he was with the Twins, and Dunn goes elsewhere. There were red flags with Dunn when he was signed. He was pretty bad the second half of 2010. There was, however, nothing that would suggest he would have been as bad as he's been. I'm sure there were teams that stayed away because they thought he was going to fall off, but this much? No way.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jun 3, 2013 -> 07:07 AM) When Wise went on the DL. A guy whose age and weight are both very close to mine shut out the Sox on Saturday. Something needs to happen. You need to work on some secondary pitches. You're leaving money on the table.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Jun 2, 2013 -> 06:56 PM) Thank god. Next up: Casper Wells I wouldn't be surprised to see Wells get a decent look vs LHP before they give up on him.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 2, 2013 -> 06:47 PM) Will probably clear waivers, wind up at Charlotte, not be "He gone", and leave the team with another opening on the 40 man. If he is in Charlotte, he gone as far as I am concerned.

Beckham is back as Geene is dfa'd.

Hahn was on the radio this morning speaking about meetings and basically saying changes were imminent. A week ago the Sox were back to .500 and things were realy looking up. Now it seems like they have been awful for a decade.

The Sox have already lost 10 games where they allowed 3 runs or less. If Ventura is abad manager, isn't Leland worse? With all their talent, he is only 5 1/2 games ahead of the Sox.

Seriously, how many runs did anyone think the Sox were going to score today anyway?

9 runs in 6 games.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 2, 2013 -> 06:03 PM) Because his presence deflects attention from KW's mistakes, and JR. After all, it's impossible "hate" Robin Ventura. What you'll end up with is apathy, frustration and discontent, which you're already seeing evidence of. Hard to get upset with Ventura, he was put in an impossible situation, he did a great job for most of last season under the circumstances but he hasn't been able to make adjustments. The team doesn't seem to be responding and hasn't since last season. Sure, 50% of it's a lack of talent...but Ventura's managing hasn't gotten better. There's no way anyone who has followed the team closely the last 1 1/2 years could come to that conclusion. Lack of talent is 50%? Exactly who manages this team to a better record?

Remember when Anorexei used to hit homers? That was awesome.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 2, 2013 -> 05:54 PM) There's an atmosphere being created where the errors are either 1) being tolerated or 2) snowballing and defining this team/season. At a certain point, managers are held accountable for those kinds of things. In a society where a lot of people get a kick out of people except themselves gettimg fired, I can assure you the White Sox are more than happy with Robin. If you really think this is all on him, you might want to find a different hobby because he won't be going anywhere for a while.

Jordan Danks kicked the ball. It has to be Ventura's fault, correct?

QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Jun 2, 2013 -> 05:44 PM) These guys flailing at pitches is just soooooo bush league. Doesn'matter who your hitting coach or manager is, if you have Danks, Flowers, Greene you first 3 hitters of an inning, there's a really good chance you will have to wait at least one more inning to score.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 2, 2013 -> 05:23 PM) But wouldn't you agree these things have happened far too often this season (after rarely happening last year)? A lot of stupid things have happened, but defensively Keppinger/Greene for Beckham has made a huge difference. Dunn for Konerko has made a big difference. Flowers for AJ hasn't had the defensive upgrade I read on this board was guaranteed. De Aza has slid since last year, and Viciedo while making some nice plays and throws, still is a guy who probably is never going to be a plus defender and he has very little experience. I think the coaches and manager have been fine. If your are going to be consistent, then you have to say Cooper needs to go because a good deal of the bullpen can't throw strikes.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 2, 2013 -> 05:19 PM) Yes they have a lot of bad players, but they also play the game incredibly stupid. It doesn't take skill to know how when to back up the catcher or when to throw to the lead base or not. Sale knows he is supposed to back up the play. He went back there but for some reason, the first base side. I don't see how his stupidity is on any coach or manager.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jun 2, 2013 -> 05:17 PM) Beckham didn't play today, so maybe he said he's ready and he'll be activated tomorrow night. I think he was sceduled to take it off . It doesn't mean he is or isn't on his way to Seattle.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 2, 2013 -> 05:15 PM) Cause he is a terrible player. What I don't understand is you say the Sox are loaded with bad plyers. Have a lot of players who simply can't hit. Then say the coaches are responsible for the bad record. I really don't know of anyone who can coach bad players to a great result.