Dick Allen

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 8, 2013 -> 01:21 AM) Except the White Sox never have excelled in these trades. What have we got back in return when we dumped Javy or Swisher? Santos? Teahen and Jackson? Quentin? As I said previously, 2010 and 2011 are worlds away from the current market for high ceiling cost-controlled players when there's a cap placed on the June draft as well as signing international players. We can cite Humber, Santos, Quentin, Jenks, Contreras, DeAza, Loaiza, Quintana and MANY others who we've "stolen" from other organizations, but almost no examples where we're trading our older veterans and getting anything of quality back in return, and this goes all the way back to 2001 and 2002. Theoretically, it should be the same principle as a Borchard/Thornton, Gillaspie/Soptic or Marte and Yan for Matt Guerrier deal. But it hasn't worked out that way in reality. So you insist the way to go is dump all your good veterans and play for 2018, then on the other hand say historically the Sox get very little for their veterans. Unlike Marty, I know you actually enjoy when the Sox win. I don't see how this "plan" makes it happen.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jun 7, 2013 -> 06:38 PM) If we're selling how are we going to contend next year? You need players people know so that they will watch on tv too. No you need the s***iest roster in the league so you can complain.

What about Ozney?

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jun 7, 2013 -> 02:02 PM) It's obvious by the state of the Sox farm system their drafting process is broken. I believe taking a guy like May in the third round is an example of this. Go back to the 3rd round of the 2008 draft. If what you say is proof their process is "broken", there are about 27 or 28 teams right there with them. You want the Sox to totally rebuild, but complain about draft picks you have never seen play, saying someone is not a value pick because he's ranked 200 on someone who is so knowledgable about these things he's not even employed by a team's board. If the White Sox make you so unhappy all the time, why don't you move on. Life is short. You should find something you enjoy.

We will never know who they got value for until they actually play for a couple of seasons or more.

Albert Pujols was the 402nd player selected in the 1999 draft. I'm glad the Sox didn't draft him in the 3rd round. It wouldn't have been a "value" pick.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jun 7, 2013 -> 01:46 PM) Explain the 200th ranked prospect in the 3rd. Who ranked him 200th, and what are his/her credentials?

I think people get too carried away with rankings. If Law and Mayo had all the answers, they would be running someone's draft. Baseball America uses guys like Phil Rogers to rank guys. Baseball is one sport where individual teams' board vary greatly. If you get one really good player out of a draft and 2 or 3 complementary ones, it's a great draft. For all we know ultimately the best player out of this draft for the White Sox may not have even been selected yet. It does make it fun, but it's really impossible to criticize fairly until a few years from now.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jun 7, 2013 -> 01:04 PM) Not to be flippant, but the Sox just don't understand the draft process. Chances of 3rd round picks being huge contributors aren't that great. Go back to the 2008 third round. Craig Kimbrel is by far the big prize, then Danny Espinosa, then guys like Morel, Zach Stewart and Tekotte. If your 3rd rounder pans out, you are doing really well. Their past draft record cannot be defended, but really at this point of the draft, these guys are all lottery tickets.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jun 7, 2013 -> 09:57 AM) That can't be right. Luke Hochevar. Who was that kid that blew his elbow out against the sox last year? Danny Duffy? Should be one start in the majors this season.

QUOTE (staxx @ Jun 7, 2013 -> 09:51 AM) Or possibly become one of our starters? We got a kid with good potential, no reason to not give him a chance. He probably is a better choice than Wahl/Ziomek. 94 innings with a zero ERA is unheard of. Hopefully they can sign him and he can develop further. One thing I read once is HS kids who throw 95 usually are throwing 88 in their early 20s. But I don't know how you can not be at least intrigued with this kid.

Despite being in rebuilding mode and having very high draft picks for 20 years, and constantly being ranked close to the top minor league systems in baseball the Royals haven't drafted a pitcher who has made at least one major league start this season since 2004.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 6, 2013 -> 09:56 PM) This is the ballgame right here. If DeAza can get on, we have a chance. If he fails, forget it. It'll be 1-2-3. Cmon DeAza. So you're sayin theres a chance.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 6, 2013 -> 09:42 PM) I'd like to see that strike three pitch again. I swear it was a K. On the pitch trax on the Sox telecast, strike 2 was inside off the plate. Strike 3 was further inside off the plate.

I don't like Flowers, but those last 2 pitches were not strikes.

Bell and KW both scouted him.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jun 6, 2013 -> 08:02 PM) Dunn fouls out swinging on three oh. Sigh. Robin loves giving the greenlight He should give the green light, and you should know Robin isn't there tonight.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Jun 6, 2013 -> 07:47 PM) Beckham is getting on base a lot it seems like The key will be when he goes bad, and everyone does, is if he can limit the damage. When he has gone bad the last few seasons, he has stayed bad a long time.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 6, 2013 -> 07:56 PM) Yeah, when I said it was empty, that was before I saw the packed outfield!! The outfield should be packed for the rest of the month. PatioParty groupons for $40.

I've heard if Shipley is on the board, he won't get past the Sox.

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Jun 6, 2013 -> 06:54 PM) I walked in late. Are people trying to downplay Bryant because it's the Cubs pick? No its just Marty. It turns out while he wants to trade every White Sox worth something for prospects, he doesn't like prospects either.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jun 6, 2013 -> 06:47 PM) If he's the best college bat available this really is a weak draft class. Mayo seems to think there's a good chance he moves to RF. He led the nation in homers, runs, walks and slugging pct. he sucks.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jun 6, 2013 -> 06:39 PM) Can Gammons do an interview without mentioning the Red Sox? No.

What will be the approximate difference in Appel's bonus between this year and what he would have received last? I wonder if it was worth the risk. He will get more now, but he also is a year further away from arb and free agency if he is any good.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jun 6, 2013 -> 06:22 PM) Who is at the Sox table? I think Hawk said the Big Hurt is involved.