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QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Apr 16, 2013 -> 01:09 PM) But he makes no contact. He's f***ing awful. A lot of people that have a problem with him now defended him last year. Historically, even his walks haven't led to many runs on any team he is been on. The reality is, his worth is putting the ball in the seats. I would imagine he will do that as much as any White Sox in 2013. I would also imagine his walk rate will be a little higher than it is now.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Apr 16, 2013 -> 12:54 PM) So the big plan with Adam Dunn was to take away the one thing (taking walks) that lead to him getting meatball pitches, and thus turn him into a complete waste of a player? No. He's supposed to be swinging at meatball pitches, making more contact, hitting more home runs, and driving in more runs. It will eventually lead to more walks.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Apr 16, 2013 -> 12:54 PM) I'd give him another chance, nothing to lose. He can turn into a stopgap that could allow you to get something for De Aza. Seriously, what are you going to get for anyone besides Sale on the Sox roster that would be useful by the time they had a team worthy of the MLB logo on their back shoulder after a rebuild? Why do you whine about the Sox being bad, but only want them to get worse?

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Apr 16, 2013 -> 12:50 PM) Why not? Let's see if he can be anything useful. They already know the answer.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Apr 16, 2013 -> 12:14 PM) So you think he can achieve those numbers with his new approach or you're just confident he'll ditch it in the near future? Again, I don't disagree with you about what Dunn is capable of, but he needs to go back to his old approach. The numbers in that article show why swinging early in counts is killing his game. This isn't just a slow start like last year, this is a flawed approach to hitting that is unlikely to ever work for Dunn. I'm questioning this "new approach". Was he experimenting with this "new approach" last year when he was slumping? If he's putting the ball in play when he's going well, the ball is eventually going to start leaving the park really often. Again, I don't think Dunn is an All Star. I don't think he's worth $15 million a year, but he can be a big part of an offense, and I don't see anything wrong with him hitting the ball. He's in a slump. Right now, he popping out when he would be drawing walks. When he's going well, he'll be popping homers when he would have been fanning.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Apr 16, 2013 -> 12:05 PM) You are the last person I thought I'd see defending Dunn to any extent, but I agree completely with everything you're talking about. I am not a fan especially batting 3rd, and would rather the Sox be spending that money on something else. But his homers are useful. I just don't see how anyone can come to the conclusion he is much different from last year yet. If he puts the ball in play more often, I don't see how he possibly will hit less home runs over the course of the season.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Apr 16, 2013 -> 09:52 AM) I take it you didn't read the article, because there's been a fundamental change to his hitting style this year and the article shows that he has indeed changed his approach and is swinging significantly more early in counts. I agree with you he is probably an .800 OPS player now, if he were using his normal three true outcome approach. Until he goes back to that though, he will continue to kill our offense. And I'm saying he will probably hit around .200 with around 40 homers and probably over 200 strikeouts. Just like last year. Probably a little worse than last year, but it's 50 AB. It's amazing how everyone comes to conclusions so quickly. Last year when everyone thought he was so valuable, from 4/8-4/17 he was 5-34 with 1 walk.

Usually when there is such an outpouring on this board about a player being better than what is being used, they wind up failing miserably when they are acquired or do get their chance. Rob Mackowiak and Alex Cintron were must acquire players. Josh Fields was going to be a star. Remember how mad many were when Crede was the starting 3B in 2008. Tyler Flowers was very popular as a back up. His popularity is waning by the hour. Santiago is the new flavor. He's doing fine out of the bullpen. Hopfully, Danks is the one who takes Axelrod's place.

I don't know how you can conclude anything on Dunn. I'm sure he's had stretches like this just about every year of his career. He's probably a .200 hitter with close to 40 homers and 200 k's. Not worth what they are paying him, but useful in today's game.

QUOTE (Knuckles @ Apr 15, 2013 -> 06:35 PM) HAHAHAh Mark just schooled him. That was funny. It was sad. What are they paying Daryl Boston for?

How does a White Sox get picked off like that? That was just dimb.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Apr 14, 2013 -> 12:17 PM) This could be a winless road trip. It is still possible, but very doubtful.

QUOTE (flavum @ Apr 14, 2013 -> 12:16 PM) Fun bad has arrived. I want an 0-10 road trip. Let's just get this s*** over with and get a top pick next year. Then you say...It's only the first inning. Then I say....this team sucks. Then you say....it's only the 12th game. Then I say...this team just isn't good enough. No, i say if you want the Sox to lose the 12th through 16th games of the year,, you are either not a Sox fan or a real s***ty one.

On May 16th last year the Sox were 17-21. Why does one bad week freak so many people out?

Will Dan Bernstein start ripping people for feeling for Kobe?

QUOTE (Knuckles @ Apr 13, 2013 -> 01:17 AM) He'll be back before Rose. I don't know. It will depend on whether or not Kobe's brother, Reggie Bryant approves of the Lakers roster next year. They have several nice players, but Kobe is going to need more before Reggie sends him out there.

QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Apr 13, 2013 -> 01:49 PM) Forgot about the black initially. But the Sox brand is on all the jerseys, you mean the specific Sox logo. Looks very odd on the arm. Yes, that logo. Brooks was asked about it last year and he said its their brand.

QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Apr 13, 2013 -> 01:50 PM) This thread easily could have been started (and I think there were similar threads) last year. So false. This thread could exist every year for every team in every sport.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 13, 2013 -> 11:03 AM) READ CAREFULLY Scioscia has lost his team, it has been argued over and over again in the LA media...that he is completely disliked by most of the players and Torii Hunter was the only one holding that clubhouse together from rebelling against him. I PERSONALLY never said Scioscia's the best, I said the POPULAR OPINION is simply that. I also feel 80-90% of White Sox fans if they could change managers to Scioscia over Ventura would choose Robin. I would pick Maddon in a heartbeat over Scioscia, (or Dave Martinez, or Bud Black, or Ron Roenicke, all of them would be okay). All of those guys are from the Scioscia school, but much better with modern day players and not so prickly with the media. I'm not going to rank every single manager 1-30 for in-game decision-making, but I would never have put Scioscia or LaRussa as Top Five. Yes, most fan bases in the world do have it a lot better than us because of the way that the former GM constructed this roster....gambling every season instead of building a team "organically" and just hoping and praying he could throw so many disparate elements together and it would magically equal some sort of elusive chemistry. Lightning only hits in a bottle a couple of times...2005 and 2008...when you work in that fashion. I never said I was right last year. I still watch/ed all the games. Nobody gave up. But last season is a HUGE reason why there's already frustration early in 2013. It's because the end of 2012 and the beginning of 2013 are mirrors of each other. There hasn't been a change or trend reversal. Ventura's the same or worse as he was before. Tell me what's better about this year's team than last year's? We got handled by a MUCH more talented team in the Nationals...across every position, we were outgunned...there's no point in even getting upset. There's no point in starting rebuilding or trade threads because the GM backed himself into a corner and now we just have to sit and wait and be patient for things to turn around. There are definitely no quick fixes with our starting 9. Every year in April, when the Sox have a bad beginning....someone, like Greg Hibbard, will point out how everything's not gloom and doom...but most of those fans won't still be around in August and September if the Sox go all 2007 or 2009. #202 in last night's game thread. YOU SHOULD READ WHAT YOU POST CAREFULLY. YOU called Scoscia the greatest strategist in the game.

Here is a question for the trade everyone and rebuild crowd, after 4 consecutive losses, something I am sure no playoff team will do in 2013. What if the Sox had drafted Mike Trout instead of Mitchell, he was available. Would there then had been chances of this sustained success you are searching for that you claim can only be accomplished by being really bad for a long time have been possible? I am sure someonw would reply Trout would probably suck if he were a White Sox, but if that is your answer, and you want to totally rebuild, you will be outing yourself as someone who just likes to complain, and would rather complain about the Sox than watch them win.

QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Apr 12, 2013 -> 03:05 PM) I don't care either way about the stripe, but I'm still miffed why they changed the arm patch from the diamond to the normal sox logo on the gray's. Makes no sense. I'm sure people watching on TV had no idea it was the White Sox even though it said "Chicago" across the front. Once they see the Sox logo on the shoulder, they get it. It's a dumb move by Brooks. He took a really nice secondary logo and made it obsolete. The Sox logo on the arm looks so odd. They wanted the Sox brand on all the jerseys. The diamond sock still is on the black unis because the SOX is on the chest.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 13, 2013 -> 01:27 AM) It's simple...I'm not sure how old you are, but if you've followed the White Sox every season since the late 70's/early 80's, you'll know the only time we've started poorly and closed well in a season was 1983. Quintana was very good. I pointed that out...and I'm hoping it sticks, because that's ONE less problem this organization will have to deal with in the future if he can be a legit 4/5 guy at the back end of the rotation. The missed sacrifice attempt, the lack of hitting with RISP, the botched hit and run....every time we have an opportunity to score, we're just not executing. If we had made the playoffs LAST year, nobody would care at all what was going on the first couple of weeks in 2013, because we'd have faith and confidence in the team. Right now, between the team and manager, there's not really very many compelling reasons to have hope, other than Chris Sale's presence on the team. I suppose, given the internal constraints given on spending any more payroll dollars, Hahn has done a very good job (not with Keppinger) but executing the Gillaspie trade or Brent Morel/Angel Sanchez would be playing 3B for us right now. There's THAT, as well. So one one hand the Sox have no talent and the manager is so terrible they are 4-6. On the other hand you point to the Angels who have All Stars up and down their line up and refer to their manager as the best strategist in the game and they are 2-8. I know historically it only takes 1 or 2 losses for you to go all Gulliver with the doom and gloom, but depending on the thread, your posts put together make zero sense other than every other fanbase in the world hasit better than us. And that is prett much BS. The thread starter is right. There is no reason to panic There seems to be a contest every season on Sox message boards around the world as to who can call the patient dead the fastest. And then later, when the Sox usually don't win, there are a lot of dislocated shoulders from all the patting of themselves on the back.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 13, 2013 -> 05:39 AM) MLB OBP 1. Detroit, .362 28. SOX, .280 29. CUBS, .265 MLB BB 1. OAK/ARIZONA, 42 2. SOX, 15 MLB ERRORS 3. SOX, 9 30. Tigers, 1 Yet the Tigers are only 1 game in front of the Sox. Bodes well as we all know the Sox will hit and catch the ball better.

I was kind of hoping they would send Axelrod down and call up a pitcher and one of the infielders.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Apr 12, 2013 -> 12:06 PM) The original phrase is not "duck snort," but "duck fart." Duck fart is obviously not as air-friendly, so he censored it to duck snort instead. Pretty simple, really. So, when he says it's a duck passing gas, it's just another way of saying duck snort/fart. I wouldn't mind he use duck passing gas for a little while. That was pretty good.