Dick Allen

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Sep 10, 2012 -> 08:45 PM) That's not what I said. I said he was LUCKY AS HELL to have that sparkling ERA. Most people here, at the time, didn't think Quintana was LUCKY AS HELL to be putting up the numbers he did. They thought he was actually a dominant pitcher. I kept referring to him as getting by with smoke and mirrors, and people gave me s*** for being pessimistic about him. And.....poof, smoke thinning and mirrors getting cloudy. Well pat yourself on the back for predicting a White Sox player will suck. BTW, the smoke is getting a little thicker and the mirrors a little clearer tonight. 6 innings 1 run.

QUOTE (rafacosta @ Sep 10, 2012 -> 08:42 PM) the botton 3 hitters in our lineup are all RHs. you are asking to do nothing agst Porcello. They really could use Olmedo tonight. Who should be playing?

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Sep 9, 2012 -> 05:21 PM) That may be...........whoever is doing KC advanced scounting needs s*** canned! I couldn't argue with you there, although today KC would have been shutout if the Sox could have scored in 9 innings. I don't know why Guthrie looks like a Cy Young/MVP against the Sox every time out. He's doing better in KC, but I think his numbers wouldn't look so good if you threw out his starts against the Sox.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Sep 9, 2012 -> 05:10 PM) Sox were last or 2nd to last in scouting spending in MLB in a article I read 2 years ago. Maybe scouting amateur talent, but not advanced scouting. I bet every team spends about the same amount. Maybe their scouts aren't as good, I have no idea, but they have reports on everyone.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 9, 2012 -> 05:08 PM) I'm not sure anyone minded the use of the bullpen today. Eventually someone was going to lose it. And the guy who did would get the mental midget posts (although I don't mind it directed at Myers), and the posts how someone would have managed the bullpen much better than it was managed.

According to this site, releivers the Sox have that shouldn't be used in tight situations: Jones Thornton Humber Meyers Reed Considering many on this site insist on pitchers being pulled the first hint of trouble, who do you suggest they use? Can Veal pitch 75 innings the rest of the season?

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Sep 9, 2012 -> 04:59 PM) Sox do not spend s*** on scouting never have. I bet they spend as much on advanced scouts as any team in baseball.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 9, 2012 -> 04:58 PM) I don't mind that Olmedo isn't the most talented, I don't mind that he's a bad player, I don't mind that he's AAAA fodder or whatever term you want to apply. When you're the 26th guy on a 25 man roster, or something like that...the one thing you do is hustle. Every play. You have to work harder than everyone else to stay on that roster. If you make a mistake, it better be a hustle mistake. That's what hits me as pathetic today. I'd have wanted him benched in the 9th. What makes it ironic is the reason he was in the game today.

QUOTE (flavum @ Sep 9, 2012 -> 03:58 PM) He showed up late today. Nice time of the year for that.

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Sep 9, 2012 -> 03:54 PM) Even Liilibridge doesn't make a mistake like that. Yes he does.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 9, 2012 -> 03:52 PM) Should be Dan Johnson batting here It is.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 9, 2012 -> 01:47 AM) I bolded the ones I remember the most or best/worst 4/16 BALT 4-1 lead into the 8th, 4-2 into the 9th, Santiago's first blown save, Zach Stewart loses in extras 4/24 OAK tied 0-0 into the 8th, Matt Thornton 4/25 OAK Sox tied it 2-2 in the 9th, Hector with his 2nd blown save in the 14th, started that inning with a 4-2 lead 5/2 CLE tied 3-3 going into the 8th, Ohman 5/4 DET leading 4-2 into the 7th, 4-3 into the 9th, Thornton 5/7 CLE tied 2-2 into the bottom of the 8th, Thornton 5/13 KCR Thornton leading 1-0 into 7th, roof caves in and Sox go on to lose 9-1 5/15 DET Peavy leading and coasting 6-0 into the top of the 6th, Peavy/Ohman 6/2 SEA leading 8-7 into the bottom of the 8th, Crain/Reed 6/15 LAD leading 5-1 into the 6th, Sale over Kershaw, tied going into bottom of 8th, Crain/Thornton 6/17 LAD leading 1-0 into the bottom of the 9th, Quintana start I think, Thornton/Reed 6/22 MILW tied 0-0 into the 10th, Jesse Crain 7/16 BOS tied 1-1 into the bottom of the 8th, A-Gone homer off Leyson Septimo 7/19 BOS leading 1-0 into the bottom of the 9th, Quintana again, Thornton and Reed collapse, Cody Ross walk off 7/30 MINN tied 6-6 going into the bottom of the 9th, AJ throws the ball down the RF line, Myers 8/4 LAA tied 5-5 going into the bottom of the 10th, Thornton 8/11 OAK leading 7-6 going into the 8th, Thornton 8/13 TOR tied 2-2 into the 11th, Septimo 8/19 KCR tied 2-2 into the bottom of the 8th, Crain 9/7 KCR Sox blow numerous scoring opportunities, Reed gives up the 2 run bomb to Hollywood Cain On the plus side, of our 18 blown saves, 3rd in the majors, only 11 of them have turned into losses. Jones and Reed both blew saves against the Royals but we managed to win 9-8 in the Greg775 Friday Night Frustration/Jubilation game The amazing 9-8 comeback victory against the Mariners where we were leading big-time, started the 9th with Humber/Veal and then Reed gave up the lead only to rally the next inning. 3-2 over the Cubs, Thornton with the blown save. 5-3 over the Indians, Sale with his only relief appearance of the season, and a blown save. 7-4 over the Mariners, Crain 8-6 over the Brewers, Ohman The team is in first place. They were expected to be terrible. Even you put a stake in their coffin the first week of the season and said they wouldn't be good for a long time. Now you spend either spend your time researching their losses or have made notes highlighting their losses. Either way, unless you love to be miserable,don't you have anything more enjoyable to do? I think you picked this up in Iowa. I was at the Iowa/Iowa St. game yesterday and the family behind me made your negativity child's play. The father was done by halftime as his screaming at the Hawkeyes caused him to lose his voice. He did say James Morris was having the worst game he's ever seen a LB have. He's seen good LB work as Morris only had 12 tackles, a fumble recovery and an INT. The second half, his wife took over. See was b****ing at Iowa letting a kick returner return the ball to the 23. Why do the spend the money and the time if they are not going to enjoy themselves?

Iowa has the dreaded combination of a QB who's not very accurate and takes forever getting rid of the ball, and receivers who have a tough time getting open and a tough time just catching a ball thrown right to them.

Reed is a rookie. Rookies usually struggle. At the beginning of the year, the re-build crowd wanted Reed closing and were actually up in arms when he wasn't. Now that same crowd has already turned on the Sox #2 prospect. I think all the "rebuilders" should consider ever endorse a total rebuild ever again. You simply do not have the patience for it if you give up on prospects after less than a season. Here are some rookie stats a surefire HOFer put up when he was 25. I realize it's apples and oranges as a lot of these numbers were put up as a starter not the reliever he became, but certainly if he was a White Sox prospect putting up these numbers, he would be deemed to be worthless. I'm also not saying Reed will have nearly the success of this guy. All I'm saying is rookies and young players struggle. Sometimes you have to be patient. Here's Mariano Riviera's rookie numbers: 5.51 ERA in 67 innings with 51 k's and 30 walks.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 7, 2012 -> 08:26 PM) Jose Lopez 0-3 with 3 men LOB Who would you have hitting 2nd? Its a home game so its unfortunate Youkilis is gone tonight. Why couldn't they induce labor when the Sox were on the road ?

QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Sep 7, 2012 -> 07:51 PM) The Ozzie Guillen rule of managing. X player plays x position so the replacement player takes his exact spot in the lineup. Remeber Wise hitting 3rd. A walk and a triple. Keep b****ing.

QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Sep 7, 2012 -> 04:36 PM) AJ not happy about the PED rumors, and he's blaming 'certain media' not any Sox fan forums. "Apparently, certain people in the media, and they know who they are..." "They just go ahead and run stories and talk about stories on their air without getting sources." -- per Scott Gregor The footage I just saw of him blamed the internet and the fact you can put whatever you want on the internet. Its too bad that's what the game is turning into. You either suck or a must be on steroids. Look at Skip Bayless with Derek Jeter. And this thread, there were a ton of "it wouldn't surprise me" posts.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 6, 2012 -> 09:07 PM) Wow, sub Viciedo. I'm genuinely surprised, I thought he was better than that this year. Thanks for the info, glad we jave Alehandro. When he was in town earlier this year, he was really on a roll, looking like the player a lot of people think he could be, but he's had some cold streaks and has been awful lately. If I were making White Sox decisions and could have had him for Edwin Jackson with the team out of it, I would probably have done it, but there's no telling what getting Teahen off the books did. Who knows who wouldn't be with the team. The guy has talent, but clashing with LaRussa will get you a reputation. I think JR is still thinking he'd like LaRussa with the Sox in some way, and Colby Rasmus on the roster probably doesn't increase the odds of that happening.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 6, 2012 -> 09:02 PM) What's his OPS this year? .701

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 6, 2012 -> 08:57 PM) Really? I thought he'd been pretty good overall. (Getting rid of Teahen was the other bonus, and Stewart turned into Youk, those are the 2 other details.) He's down to .225 with a .290 OBP this year and .214 with a mid .600 OPS during his time in Toronto.

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Sep 6, 2012 -> 07:24 PM) It wasn't good last year either. People thought they could trade him for Rasmus but the Cards wanted Sale. The Sox could have traded for Rasmus using Edwin Jackson. They didn't want Rasmus, and really, although earlier this year he had a hot streak and hit some homers, he's been pretty bad for the Blue Jays.

QUOTE (Brian26 @ Sep 6, 2012 -> 07:53 PM) It was actually a weird situation because it went down so quickly while most of us were at work. When I saw the thread, I started a PM discussion with the original poster asking him for the name of his contact person at the Score so I at least knew he was legit. He was unwilling to give up the name in order to protect his friend's job. At that point, the thread was put in the "What's the Score" forum where unregistered users could still see it (generally where trade rumors, not PED rumors go). It wasn't put into the Roadhouse until later in the night (where only registered members could see it). WSI didn't start the rumor. Mully and Hanley this morning said they had heard it last Friday. Gonzalez said he had "heard it" last week (I agree, just because he said he heard it, he wasn't lending credence to it). It was floating around WSCR at least since the middle of last week. I have the original poster's name and his work email address. I can confirm he doesn't work at the Score, and I have no reason to believe he doesn't have a friend there. All signs point towards someone (or more than one person) at the Score starting this rumor as a joke to see how far it could spread. FWIW, I don't believe the "Detroit Tigers Message Board" theory unless someone can come up with a link. If anything, it goes to show how influencial boards like Soxtalk and WSI are since this entire thing ignited after it was posted at both places. The media in this town is lazy, and I know they monitor these boards for info. The sad thing is right now, and maybe its MLB's fault, but whenever players have career years or play really well, they almost all have PED suspicion . It was a unique situation last night and a learning experience. It was a poster without a track record, and his source was a guy who works at the Score and the Score didn't report it. If its some top secret information, I wonder why they refuse to air it, but will tell all of their friends. That's what made me sure it was false, although I did wonder what if it were true.

QUOTE (Swingandalongonetoleft @ Sep 6, 2012 -> 10:27 AM) Nothing- it's just the impression I got from when they quickly touched on it at the beginning of the show based on listening to the guy regularly for a long time. It's probably exactly what flavum wrote, we don't know the whole story, and maybe never will. The Score is now saying its a rumor from last week started on a Tigers message board. Of course they don't want it to be known the crap hit the fan on a White Sox message board when someone said an employee of their station said it was true. And they didn't mention it last night when they said they needed 2 confirmations and had one. If its true it started on a Tigers message board, I think we do know the whole story. It was made up.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Sep 6, 2012 -> 09:08 AM) You are the most insufferable poster here. NO ONE has said they hope this rumor is true. You took the rumor of a guy on the street internet poster and said "it doesn't look good." Sorry if I didn't take the bait, and if people at USCF like jenksismyb**** reported were saying it was true with a press conference today, when the White Sox didn't even know about, you know there are people who want this to be true. You would have to be very naive to think there aren't posters on here who are dissappointed this isn't true.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 6, 2012 -> 09:03 AM) Depends on what we mean by "Supposedly heard". All we've got until the WSI post are a few vague statements that suggest a couple people thought AJ was distracted, and his performance falling off over the past week or two. There's a lot of things that could be. Maybe he's in the Adam Dunn boat of a sick kid. Maybe he's having other family troubles. Maybe he had an extra bad hangover and the team was annoyed with him for it. Is it at least possible, a 35 year old catcher who plays as much as AJ, in a summer that was extremely hot, with a young pitching staff that throws a lot of balls in the dirt, so he will take an extra beating, has a performance dip due to the tank being a little low?