Dick Allen

Looks like a sweep.

QUOTE (JoshPR @ Sep 4, 2011 -> 06:23 PM) I would love a rebuild, but jerry's unwillingness to spend in scouting and the draft kills. The sox have some good pieces, but the philosophy is messed up. Just look how many power pitchers have sox drafted in the last 10 years? 1, 2? Sale and who? Like they say ohh he's got a power changeup, his fastball sits in the 88 mph range... Sorry you have to be really good to make it on that and how many have for the sox lately? Buehrle and..? So until the sox change there mindset and philosophy of there farm system and how they pursue talent, this type of situation is gonna happen a lot.... They have drafted plenty of power pitchers over the years, but they don't pan out often. What you hit on is a guy who is at 88 but gets up to 95. I read an article one time which said the vast majority of guys that throw 95 in high school usually aren't much above 90 if that, 5 years later.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 4, 2011 -> 05:23 PM) Hearing about the kids work ethic and attention span, banking on large improvement is dicey. Those kind of guys can hit a wall very easily. I agree if you're lazy when you are making minimum and are 20-21 years old, chances are you are only going to get lazier as you get older and make more money.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 4, 2011 -> 06:00 PM) So would Ryan if Priors salary demands didn't scare him off as a small market GM. Sometimes being cheap pays off, it also helped Mauer was the local boy, but he did make the correct call.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 1, 2011 -> 08:35 AM) The thing to remember though...Terry Ryan had exactly 2 ridiculous benefits. He got the #1 pick in the right year to get a player who came up and hit while he was still GM (and then departed before that player's knees gave out), and then he also happened to hit absolute gold on a rule 5 draft pick. He also was the beneficiary of some really stupid trading by the Giants too. If we wanted to there's room to criticize him as well. Letting David Ortiz walk right before he turned into a (possibly chemically enhanced) hitting machine. The majority of GMs would have taken Pryor over Mauer.

Daryl Boston

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 3, 2011 -> 07:26 PM) By the way, how did Brent look today? I see that he homered and reached on an error, any chance it looked like he was being more aggressive and trying to pull the ball? He hit his homer hard. Penny missed his spot by about 2 feet, but you still have to hit it.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 3, 2011 -> 07:39 PM) Except for the first week it's been the most utterly depressing and disgusting season in a long time. As nice as it would have been to steal the division we don't deserve postseason ball this year. As Walker said in that story, "it's been a long year for everybody." Team doesn't deserve the postseason. Glad it's over. Hope the Bears have a good year and the Hawks too. I'll still follow every game but this group of stiffs didn't deserve the postseason. I just hope it's not LaRussa for next year. Anybody but LaRussa, Bell and Cora. And please fire KW as well as Oz. If one goes both should go. I finally agree with you.

QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Sep 3, 2011 -> 07:32 PM) I haven't been this mad at the results of a baseball game in a long long time. I left the house at the rain delay... and they lost? This is just one of those seasons boys and girls. I still have faith and I'm still a White Sox fan, but this one is painful. I truly believe that next year will be a lot better for the Sox - especially with a new coaching staff. I was thinking that this season. Last year they wound up winning a lot of games, but they were pretty pitiful most of the season. That 25-5 stretch was great, but their 88 wins at the end felt like a lot less. This year's .500 record feels like 2007. Maybe my expectations are just too high. The organization has been spinning its wheels too long.

QUOTE (Reddy @ Sep 3, 2011 -> 07:14 PM) i know exactly what i'm wishing for. i'm wishing we had traded our pieces at the trade deadline for prospects, let de aza, lilli, viciedo, flowers, beckham and whomever else we acquired play and see what we have. it's a lot better than this dunn/rios/pierre bulls*** that ran us into the ground this year. Shockingly both Quentin and Thornton can still be traded during the offseason. They obviously weren't offered too much for them or they would have been gone, and the guys they probably would have received for them you wouldn't see play this year, unless you followed the minor leagues. Dunn isn't playing anymore. If Quentin were healthy, Rios wouldn't be playing anymore. I couldn't agree more they played way too long. Its one reason why I'm going to be an ex seasonticketholder unless both KW and Ozzie are gone. But a total rebuild means you have to draft well. Real well. The Sox were horrible in 1986, horrible in 1987, horrible in 1988 and horrible in 1989 when they last did a total rebuild. They got extremely lucky and got McDowell, Ventura, Thomas and Fernandez in the draft. They wanted Mike Harkey, but the Cubs took him so they settled for McDowell, inexplicably, the Cubs who had been looking for a 3rd baseman for many years took someone who never made it to the major leagues instead of Ventura, the Sox wanted Jeff Jackson but Philadelphia drafted him, so they missed out on a guy who never made the major leagues and had to settle for a HOFer, and Fernandez was only available because Milwaukee went cheap on him the year before. If a couple of those go the other way, it may be 6 or 7 or 8 or even more years of being pitiful. When you are that pitiful if you think Hawk talking up guys now is bad, just wait. When you rebuild, everyone is the second coming. Back then I was driving home from college and had the game on. John Rooney went on and on for an inning and a half why Gary Redus was a better ballplayer than Rickey Henderson. I'm being totally serious.

QUOTE (Reddy @ Sep 3, 2011 -> 07:07 PM) thats what you glean from this? really? Yes. Of course he should take Ozzie with him. Personally, if Florida wants to give me something for Ozzie, he gone. He can have all of his coaches. KW can go hang out at his restaurant, or maybe with Dave Wilder. Its time to start anew. Its probably been time for a couple of years. Besides, if you have an argument with someone, and have a temper so bad you fire them on the spot, you have other issues.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 3, 2011 -> 07:10 PM) I will no longer watch games in which Mark Buehrle doesn't pitch. This could be Mark's last month. So I will cherish his starts. Besides that, I will only track Viciedo, De Aza and Flowers. De Aza has been very good and fun to watch.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 3, 2011 -> 07:05 PM) And once we get to year 7 of it, we can hire our 3rd GM since Kenny and hear someone tell us how we finally have the best GM in the league because we're pulling off a .500 record on such a low salary. Considering a lot of people around here want to give up on guys after a bad month, I really don't think most who want a total re-build have any idea what they are actually wishing for.

QUOTE (qwerty @ Sep 3, 2011 -> 07:06 PM) It's not over until it's over j4l... have hope!!! You have to remember... there is an outside chance that the tigers plane could go down in flames before seasons end. The problem then would be the Indians. Maybe their planes will collide with each other. Its actually been over for quite some time, but as J4L pointed out, today's game was the cherry on the sundae. I'll just try to enjoy the final 3 1/2 weeks because no matter how bad or boring the Sox are, in a couple months, I will want to watch some baseball.

Postseason invoices are due on Tuesday. I wonder how many people were actually going to do but changed their minds the past 24 hours.

QUOTE (C_LEE45 @ Sep 3, 2011 -> 07:01 PM) does it matter? Not at this point as far as the playoffs go, but I'm a White Sox fan, and through the years, I found White Sox victories far more enjoyable than White Sox losses.

QUOTE (C_LEE45 @ Sep 3, 2011 -> 07:00 PM) HEY AJ GO BACK TO THE DL!!!!!!!this team is a joke Now its AJ's fault? Wow. Pitchers aren't held accountable on Soxtalk unless your name is Jake Peavy. I suppose that's fair. Its not their fault if they are good. Its all Don Cooper. So if they suck, its because of AJ and if they are good its because Don Cooper is the pitching coach.

KW needs to clean out his locker.

I hope we don't get swept. At least we don't have to listen to a guy who once walked over 2 guys an inning one season talk about where pitchers have to place the ball.

And this season is ova. Blow an 8-1 lead.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Sep 3, 2011 -> 06:54 PM) Pierre's shirty arm comes into play on that last one. Yeah, but he just would have stopped at second had a typical 10 year old been throwing it in.

Fire Don Cooper.

Dadgummit

QUOTE (Slats Grobnik @ Sep 3, 2011 -> 04:55 PM) I'll give Ozzie credit for this - he's no quitter. Maybe he wants to get out of here before KW's kids make it to the bigs. http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/news/story?id=5163638 Updated: May 4, 2010, 10:57 PM ETGuillen manages 1,000 gameEmailPrintCommentsESPNChicago.com CHICAGO -- Just before he managed his 1,000th game with the Chicago White Sox, Ozzie Guillen said on Tuesday he will have to be fired when the day comes for him to move on because he will never quit. ESPNChicago.com White Sox blog The latest news and notes on the White Sox. Blog "Fired," Guillen said when asked if he thought he would quit or be fired someday. "Because I'm not going to quit. I'm not a quitter. When I want to quit I'll make sure I do a lot of stupid things to make them fire me and get paid. "I think getting fired is better because when you quit a lot of teams out there will call you a quitter. It shows you can't handle yourself or handle the heat." Guillen is 523-477 in seven seasons as the White Sox manager and has led the team to the playoffs twice, including a World Series victory in 2005. He is the fourth manager in franchise history to manage 1,000-plus games. Guillen, whose White Sox lost 7-2 to the Kansas City Royals on Tuesday, believes the key to his longevity is his 13-year playing career with the White Sox, and his familiarity with the city. "I grew up here," Guillen said. "When I was hired, 95 percent of the people probably thought I'd get fired after a year or two. I think it helps that I grew up in Chicago [during his playing career]. Looking at [Chicago Cubs manager] Lou [Piniella] and Dusty [baker], those guys didn't grow up here. I had an advantage, I know everybody. I know all the people. "Some people love you, some people don't. I don't really care. Every day I tell the fans what they want to hear. The information is out there. I think that's refreshing for the fans. There's no hiding anything." ESPNChicago.com baseball reporter Bruce Levine contributed to this report. He's no quitter but can't work with only one year left on his contract. Ozzie only speaks the truth.

QUOTE (ottawa_sox @ Sep 3, 2011 -> 05:30 PM) You're welcome. Just for the hell of it, I looked up the box score (the game was on August 10, 1990, not August 11) to see if the next hitter avoided getting drilled. He did. It was Lance Johnson ........ no doubt with happy feet. He grounded out 3rd to 1st. Grebeck either got drilled or knocked on his ass his next AB. I can't remember.