Dick Allen

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jul 24, 2011 -> 08:19 PM) And other than his defense this year, which has been really good, what can one say positively about him since '09? Offensively, he had a great second half last year.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 24, 2011 -> 08:17 PM) Yeah, the only ? on Rasmus is his attitude, which has been a problem with LaRussa. However, anyone saying that Edwin Jackson or Matt Thornton is too much to pay is nuts. There's no way that either of those two + a relief prospect land this kid. It wouldn't be a huge price, but...........Jackson is probably near the top of available starters at this time and Thornton has been an elite reliever for a lot of years, and teams are desperate for pitching. It might be a package someone is willing to go higher than a questionable Colby Rasmus for.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jul 24, 2011 -> 08:16 PM) Rasmus is a gifted athlete that fits the profile of a potential elite CF. He was the #3 prospect in baseball two and a half years ago. If he did disappoint, so what? He's cheaper than a blackjacks stripper. Jackson is gone after this year and I don't think the franchise falls apart without Thornton. So is Gordon Beckham and you never have kind things to say about him. I doubt 3 years from now Rasmus is a CF, and do you really thing Ozzie is going to bench Rios to play Rasmus?

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jul 24, 2011 -> 08:03 PM) Kalapse did something on Rasmus a fw weeks ago. Even in a down year, he's still grossly outperforming Beckham. And the fact that he plays CF cannot be underestimated. Rasmus put up huge numbers in April. Since then he's been total garbage and he can "play" CF. Carl Everett could "play" CF in 2003 and Rob Macowiak could "play" CF in 2006-7 and Ken Griffey Jr. could "play" CF in 2008. There is a difference in playing CF and actually being good at it. You're all gung ho now, if this trade happened, and it appears the rumors aren't true, I think you will be dissappointed. I think a lot of people would. I think if it were presented KW would have to do it as long as he felt Rasmus and his baggage wouldn't be a problem. Maybe they could keep it from being a problem for a while, but eventually.........................

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Jul 24, 2011 -> 07:54 PM) Yeah, I don't thionk people quite realize Rasmus' potential, and the fact that he is controlled for 3 1/2 more years or whatever it is. I also don't think some realize how bad Rasmus has been the last couple of months. People want to send Beckham down to AAA, they'd be saying the same thing about Rasmus. Also, I don't know where people get Rasmus is a good defensive CF. He is not. Potentially he's a great player, but a lot of things have to play out correctly for that to happen. He's supposed to have a meddeling father who works with his hitting on the field and I guess causes trouble on Cardinals' message boards. If the trade happened, Soxtalk probably would gain a new member.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 24, 2011 -> 10:45 AM) Yep. I have asked this a few times, and I am guessing by the lack of responses that it never has been done on this level, but what the biggest contract a team has ate completely like this? Kei Igawa has to be up there, although technically not eaten. He is being paid $20 million over 5 years and his posting fee was $26 million. He is pitching in AAA and the Yankees have told him for a few years there is no way they will call him up, even tried to trade him back to Japan a couple of times and he refused, so for 16 pitiful outings, they shelled out $46 million. The current record for most money eaten by a team by releasing a contract is $33 million, which the Diamondbacks swallowed when they released pitcher Russ Ortiz in June of 2006.

QUOTE (Springfield SoxFan @ Jul 24, 2011 -> 03:12 PM) It is too much of a sign that Thornton did not pitch today? No. He pitched in 3 of the last 4.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 24, 2011 -> 03:07 PM) But wouldn't you want to see what the market would bear for them individually? Rasmus has talent. I just wonder about the attitude. There's something there the Cardinals despise. I'm sure the White Sox aren't going to like it eventually either. If he puts it together, the deal is a steal. If not, you're out 2 months of Jackson and a few years of paying a 35 year old plus Matt Thornton a lot of money. I would make this trade as long as I was satisfied Rasmus isn't going to become a problem in a few weeks.

QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jul 24, 2011 -> 03:06 PM) This actually makes me want to get Rasmus more. Really? His hitting has tailed off this season.

I thought this was especially interesting considering the current White Sox fan debate over coaching. From espn.com: Cardinals manager Tony La Russa has lost faith in Rasmus, in part for his tendency to use outside coaching help for his hitting.

Sweep.

QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jul 24, 2011 -> 02:31 PM) Delmon Young has a .826 OPS last season and is still 25 years old. What is he doing this year and the other years? Rasmus had a nice OPS as a 23 year old. So what. Mark Teahen put up an .874 OPS as a 24 year old. If the Cardinals trade him, there's a bigger reason other than he doesn't like Tony LaRussa.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 24, 2011 -> 02:51 PM) seriously. Why call for a pinch hitter there? Teahen had as good a chance as anybody to get a bloop hit. No he didn't. He can't hit lefties and he should be pulled from the game for defensive purposes anyway.

John Hart before this season started compared Chris Sale to Randy Johnson. Obviously that is very optimistic, but Sale is very highly thought of.

Why not pinch hit here and let Morel play 3B in the ninth?

Ducks on the pond with one out and Hawk is hoping for a wild pitch. Tells you what even the eternal optimists think of Rios' chances.

They had the season ticketholder party today and let us take some cuts in the cages between the Sox clubhouse and dugout. I was making some solid contact. I think a couple might have wound up in the seats.

So Quentin is the only White Sox to homer since the ASB.

Put Dunn 8th and have him bunt a lot to try to move runners. If he can't get the bunt down, so what? He'd most likely whiff anyway.

QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Jul 24, 2011 -> 02:28 PM) I was thinking the same thing with the Rasmus rumors. Is he in the pen? I wouldn't put too much into it. Thornton has pitched in 3 of the last 4 and Sale has had 3 days off.

QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jul 24, 2011 -> 02:27 PM) You obviously chose not to read the line about the .860 OPS as a full-time CF at age 23. What team (realistically) could give us more for Jackson than Rasmus? You have to wonder why a team would give up a guy like Rasmus if he was anything near a sure thing. Usually young hyped up guys who get traded wind up be dissappointments. See Young, Delmon.

Jay Cutler's wedding is off? Say it isn't so.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 24, 2011 -> 02:14 PM) Its a waste. Whatever. If he got lucky the bat would have somehow hit the ball and it would have probably been foul and the Sox would still have a runner on base. It was worth the gamble of a strike.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 24, 2011 -> 02:11 PM) Why swing? He threw the bat at the ball hoping either to A. make a little contact so the guy wasn't a dead duck or B. distract the catcher.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 24, 2011 -> 02:08 PM) Wow Omar blew that one. It was a pitch out on a hit and run.