Dick Allen

Ducks on the pond with one out and Hawk is hoping for a wild pitch. Tells you what even the eternal optimists think of Rios' chances.

They had the season ticketholder party today and let us take some cuts in the cages between the Sox clubhouse and dugout. I was making some solid contact. I think a couple might have wound up in the seats.

So Quentin is the only White Sox to homer since the ASB.

Put Dunn 8th and have him bunt a lot to try to move runners. If he can't get the bunt down, so what? He'd most likely whiff anyway.

QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Jul 24, 2011 -> 02:28 PM) I was thinking the same thing with the Rasmus rumors. Is he in the pen? I wouldn't put too much into it. Thornton has pitched in 3 of the last 4 and Sale has had 3 days off.

QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Jul 24, 2011 -> 02:27 PM) You obviously chose not to read the line about the .860 OPS as a full-time CF at age 23. What team (realistically) could give us more for Jackson than Rasmus? You have to wonder why a team would give up a guy like Rasmus if he was anything near a sure thing. Usually young hyped up guys who get traded wind up be dissappointments. See Young, Delmon.

Jay Cutler's wedding is off? Say it isn't so.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 24, 2011 -> 02:14 PM) Its a waste. Whatever. If he got lucky the bat would have somehow hit the ball and it would have probably been foul and the Sox would still have a runner on base. It was worth the gamble of a strike.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 24, 2011 -> 02:11 PM) Why swing? He threw the bat at the ball hoping either to A. make a little contact so the guy wasn't a dead duck or B. distract the catcher.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 24, 2011 -> 02:08 PM) Wow Omar blew that one. It was a pitch out on a hit and run.

Seems the opposition picks up the White Sox signs fairly easily. Either that or Ozzie is way too predictable.

Get this run in and break out the brooms.

QUOTE (Flash Tizzle @ Jul 24, 2011 -> 01:54 PM) We're just pathetic. After that gift last inning we respond with this?! A walk and a single? BTW your herpes thing is kind of funny. I was awakened last night or early this morning by my neighbor's girlfriend screaming at him telling him he gave her herpes.

The White Sox haven't drafted well in recent years, so you have to go outside the organization if you want to win. Beckham and Sale were 2 guys anyone on Soxtalk could have drafted. Its about time the White Sox scouting department comes up with a 5th round gem.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Jul 23, 2011 -> 06:51 PM) They're not giving any update regarding a start time on the radio or on TV there? The weather report says it's not raining. they are waiting for another front to come through. They don't want to play 3 innings and screw up the pitchers.

QUOTE (GoodAsGould @ Jul 23, 2011 -> 06:36 PM) Well Humber doesnt fall into with other 3 yet, but as far as it goes the other 3 only had a good season under Cooper while Rowand had similar career post wsox. Also Rowand probably was a roider and probably had a part to do with any of his success. That doesn't matter. Rowand had one good season after he left the Sox and got paid. Explain why Jose Contreras has a higher ERA with the White Sox than he did with the Yankees or Rockies or Phillies. And are you saying if Thornton continued to pitch as he's pitched with another team, you would have to take him off your Cooper column? Walker isn't a bad hitting coach. He's pretty similar results-wise with Cooper if you really examine it. People will say well Cooper has made something useful out of Floyd and Humber, but how many hitters drafted #4 and considered top prospects at some time has KW acquired for Walker to work with. Quentin is one and he probably would have been the MVP in 2008 had it not been for an injury.

QUOTE (GoodAsGould @ Jul 23, 2011 -> 05:45 PM) Aaron Rowand isn't legit, he had 1 good season with us and 1 good season after the Wsox but largely below avg. and why would I give him credit for Iguchi or Dye? Konerko also changes his swing every two weeks himself and Loaiza was picked off the scraps, he would of been in AAA or out of baseball most likely before his season with us. Like I said, firing Walker won't fix the offense... but the guy isn't good at his job and I'm starting to think you are related to him. Rowand isn't legit because he only had one good year, but Cotts and Politte, Loiasa and Humber and even Contreras are in your Cooper column. You must be stoned. At least you admit firing Walker won't fix the offense, so why should he be fired?

QUOTE (GoodAsGould @ Jul 23, 2011 -> 08:32 AM) Jermaine Dye was injury plagued for awhile before his time with the Wsox and was a former all star, I don't understand how you credit him being healthy to Walker. Thome/Thomas are both HoF mashers and Thomas has a very unorthodox swing that Walker had nothing to do with. Juan Uribe's 2 seasons in San Fran were better than all but 1 with the Wsox. Alexi is exactly what he was projected, not sure where you are going with that at all. I don't think anyone is going to claim firing Greg Walker is going to automatically fix the offense, but the fact is he is nothing better than below avg. at his job. As far as Cooper in comparison well top of my head. Cooper: Matt Thornton Gavin Floyd Phil Humber Esteban Loaiza Bobby Jenks Jose Contreras Neal Cotts/Cliff Politte(had success with us than out of baseball after) Walker: Joe Crede ??? Interesting you don't give Walker any credit for fixing Konerko, which he did when he took over midway 2003. Making Aaron Rowand legit, Dye, Iguchi, Ramirez, yet you give Cooper credit for any little thing. Thornton was a big fix. He made on small adjustment and it changed Matt Thornton's life. I give Cooper credit for it. Floyd was supposed to be a star. He really hasn't progressed much after his 2008. Humber has been tremendous. Loaisa was a short term fix, much of his success based on a cutter he started to develop before Cooper and Cooper helped him with it, although his success was very brief. Jenks was supposed to be a star, and I really don't know how you give Cooper credit for a guy throwing 100, but fine. Contreras signed for 8 times as much money as Alexei Ramirez. I loved Jose Contreras, was his biggest fan, but he was very inconsistent and its funny one of Soxtalks all time biggest punching bags is now considered a Don Cooper success story. I think El Duque had a lot to do with Jose Contreras' success myself. He told him to start pitching like he did in Cuba. Neal Cotts and Cliff Politte? One good season each? At least 2 horrible seasons each. Really? Why wouldn't every White Sox hitter that had a decent year even if it was for 200 AB then be a Greg Walker success story? Alexei was projected as Omar Infante with less power. Sorry. Silver Slugger SS aren't available for 4 years $1 million a year. I also never gave Walker credit for Frank Thomas. I asked a poster to name all the players who went on to bigger and better things after Greg Walker because he said there had been plenty. I told him not to include Frank Thomas because when Frank was healthy and Walker the hitting coach, Frank was fine. Juan Uribe's first season in SF was the same as his first season with the Sox. He is also fading and his career numbers show a slightly higher OPS in the AL vs. the NL. Your response is typical of the Walker hater, and Cooper lover. You don't look at everything through the same lenses. The hitting coach and the pitching coach are not the problem with the White Sox. Changing either will have no effect on wins and losses at least in a positve manner. If you replace them with the wrong guy, things might even get worse. Players must change, either that or the one's not performing need to perform.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan101 @ Jul 21, 2011 -> 12:28 PM) Jermaine Dye had the same numbers with the Sox as he did in KC, just a higher slugging percentage (which makes sense considering the home parks). Carlos Quentin was not a bust in Arizona as much as he had even more injury problems there than he's had here. Juan Uribe was statistically a better hitter with San Francisco and Colorado than he was with the Sox. I'm literally laughing at Frank Thomas & Jim Thome's names being brought up, and bringing up Alexei is just throwing a name out there since none of us ever saw him before he got here. Now, do you have any actual examples to defend your favorite hitting coach? Carlos Quentin had more injury problems in AZ than he's had here? This is exactly what I'm talking about. Walker will never get a fair shake. Dye was much better as a White Sox than a Royal or an A. I don't know why you're laughing at Thome and Thomas. I was preparing for, which btw, I did not get a response, the answer as to which hitters became much better after Walker. I was sure he would mention Frank Thomas, so I countered that with Thome as their conditions were very similar. Uribe wasn't better with Colorado than the Sox, he was slightly better in SF, but not if you took his first 2 White Sox seasons, and he faded just like with the Sox, and I'm not just throw Alexei's name out there. He has hit significantly better than he was projected. That's just a fact.

QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Jul 21, 2011 -> 01:33 AM) Dad to Son: Son I want to talk to you about your report card. You got a D in Geometry. Son to Dad: Becky next door got a D in English. Dad to Son: And how does the girl next doors grade in English remotely have anything to do with your geometry grades? Still trying to figure out how a discussion on The hitting coach automatically links the pitching coach in. Hey comparing Jamarillo to Walk, sure valid they do the SAme thing and it's apples to apples. Not really linking just show the disparity in how they are viewed. Cooper walks on water no matter what, Walker is garbage no matter what. The fact that no one gets better with other teams after they leave the Sox and Walker has been around 8 years might just show he working with an ability level that isn't as high as his critics assume. Give Rudy Jaramillo Brent Morel, make Perez Hilton Albert Pujols personal batting coach. At the end of the day when the results are in, using most of Soxtalk's criteria, Perez Hilton would be the far better hitting coach. That's not right. And if you want to compare Jaramillo with Walker, the did have one hitter in common in recent years. In fact the guy had 4 htting coaches in 4 years. His best season was with Walker. Andruw Jones.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jul 22, 2011 -> 08:34 PM) So that justifies the extension? It's not the trade itself for me. Fields and Getz are both replacement level players. The extension is what boggles the human mind. Hawk had been a Teahen guy for years thinking he would develop big power, then the year before KW got him, even the Hawkeroo soured on Teahen.

QUOTE (beckham15 @ Jul 22, 2011 -> 08:31 PM) look i'm just venting, i want SOMETHING to be done to spark an interest in this team again....even when we've been bad before i've always put up with it but lately i've been like yeah it's not even worth watching.... How about a change that might actually do something? Whether you believe it or not, firing Walker isn't going to suddenly make everyone start hitting.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jul 22, 2011 -> 08:30 PM) Teahen has made a dramatic improvement at third this year. I'd call him almost adequate. Give it time. They used to say the same thing about Jorge Orta at 2nd. Year after year after year. Teahen is just saving some really bad plays until when it will hurt the Sox the most.

QUOTE (beckham15 @ Jul 22, 2011 -> 08:24 PM) quit it.....the hitting coach cannot be held responsible as his job means nothing apparently Fire Greg Walker and get Teahen's Cooperstown bust ready.

QUOTE (Baron @ Jul 22, 2011 -> 08:04 PM) Thank you Carlos! Time to get rid of Quentin. The Sox might score runs if he's on the team.