Dick Allen

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 12:57 PM) Oh man, I'll have to dig it up, but it was something I read last week suggesting that KW wanted to fire a coach but Reinsdorf was reluctant. Let me look... EDIT: Here it is, from Cowley of course: If you think about it, firing a coach is the biggest copout. Either fire the manager, fire the GM or change some players. Personally, I don't buy the Ozzie/KW relationship being patched up and I think its a weight on the organization. If I had my choice they both would go, but one, either one, I believe would do wonders for the organization. I'm leaning towards Ozzie because he can take Oney and Cowley for that matter with him, and there's no telling how big his head will get if he actually won the war vs. KW, but I will take KW going as well, and you better hire a GM who will be able to go toe to toe with Ozzie.

Its no surprise. He's had a lot of long layoffs the past three seasons. His body isn't used to the grind.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 12, 2011 -> 03:07 PM) Nice, someone posted bleacher report opinion. I hate that site. As for Rasmus... he'd fit right in with the other disappointments on our roster. Obviously I'd still love to get him in a deal for Jackson +, but we all know that's not happening, so it's a moot point. Rasmus is hitting like Beckham and playing a little less than average defense. Its amazing Beckham is a bust but the Sox would have a hard time getting someone like Rasmus.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 11, 2011 -> 03:08 PM) Most famous thread of all time: http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?sh...=47842&st=0 Funny how there were concerns about lawsuits but the poster turns out to be accurate.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 11, 2011 -> 08:01 PM) The fact that people in the stadium could see it made it guaranteed that it was going to be a big story. Or at least big relative to the white sox. Unless more has happened than I've seen, the only sense in which it is overblown is that people feel the need to insist that gay-bashing is some sort of virtue that should be defended. It wasn't a big story until it was made a big story. He did it on Monday. It hit the papers on Friday. He shouldn't have done it, but its really not that big of an offense.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 11, 2011 -> 07:53 PM) And I regret the time that I did it to this day. One of the worst things that came out of my mouth. When I was a little kid we called each other those names and we didn't even know was a homsexual was or a straight person was. Clearly they are words or names tied into the gay community, but people throwing them out there aren't necessarily putting down gay people when using them. If Ozzie calls Marriotti a f**, he gets in trouble. If he calls him a cocksucker, he doesn't have to go to class. Doesn't make much sense to me. I just think some people use those words as something different than the PC police assume.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jul 11, 2011 -> 03:33 PM) I'm glad you're around to let people know whether they should be offended by something. Have you ever called one of your friends gay or a f**? I think 99.9 percent of people here have. I also haven't seen any quotes from anyone in the gay communty about this thing. It probably was dumb to scratch it in the dirt, but man people are being criticized for things the people doing the criticizing do or have done probably many times. This PC movement is getting ridiculous. If it were such a huge deal, how come in this world of instant stories, did it take 4 days for the whole thing to come out? The media finally got the story and Telander threw it out there not because it hurt anyone, because only a few people even knew about it, but so he could publicly scold a professional athlete.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 11, 2011 -> 07:46 PM) The only team that has the money to absorb Rios and another pitcher now is the Yankees. Its such a big contract and they have no place for Rios anyway. I don't think the Yankees would take his contract if you just GAVE them Danks. I think the Yankees are over the threshold, so a guy like Rios would really cost almost $20 million a year. Boston can't add payroll for that very reason.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 11, 2011 -> 07:39 PM) If they try a major panic shakeup, they're going to lose a ton of season ticket sales anyway. It will be worse if they do nothing. Call someone up, put someone on the DL, anything. Just being stubborn thinking you aren't wrong is turning off a lot of people.

QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Jul 11, 2011 -> 01:41 PM) Until the last five days, I thought there would be something would click at some point, but now I think it's very likely that they will play horribly post-break, get to 10 under, and then win 28 of their last 45 to make it look "respectable". Yeah, they will finish with 82 or 83 wins and a few people will say this is part of the best stretch in White Sox history, above .500 baseball. IMO no matter how good or bad they play the second half this season, if they don't make the playoffs, this year was a failure. I did vote they would do nothing, but I think something has to and will happen. I would imagine not tonight or tomorrow with the AS game, but Wed. or Thurs. I have no inside knowledge, but it would really be crazy if everything remained status quo. They are going to lose a ton of season ticket accounts if they do nothing and things don't change.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 11, 2011 -> 01:43 AM) I did at one point have someone call me out on the Dayan shirt, saying he wouldn't do anything for the club right now. He was stared at in disbelief. You ran into Rongey?

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 10, 2011 -> 06:52 PM) The Sox SHOULD ... Fire Ozzie tonight and Kenny tonight. Release Rios over the break and eat the contract. Bring up Dayan and have him play third; Morel can come in in late game situations if Dayan can't remember how to play third. Trade Pierre (at the moment you trade him, put Dayan back in left). Send down Beckham if he doesn't hit the first two weeks after the break. Shut down Peavy. These things all should be done IMO. Beckham's hitting .313 his last 10 games. I saw some rips in the gamethread by a few people. I suppose he's supposed to hit .400 with 50 homers or he's a bust.

KW will be found and will give his: "I believe in the talent" speech. Ozzie will come back from Miami or Venezula and will say he thought about quitting, he didn't need the job and that he is rich.

QUOTE (spiderman @ Jul 10, 2011 -> 06:04 PM) In fairness though, we did get to play the Yankees and Red Sox some in the first half this season. In year's past, we would get them over a two week period (along with minny). This season, I believe both teams still have to come here, I'm guessing we're not going there anymore. The Sox have a better record on the road than at home. There's only 70 games left and the post ASB starts out with 9 road games then Det, Bos, and NY for 10 at home. We will know very shortly if there is any life in this team.

Fitting ending. Hawk says you have to tip your cap.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jul 10, 2011 -> 04:07 PM) Was the WP on Santos or AJ? I missed it. It was on Santos, but it bounced back from the wall right to AJ and he missed it.

At least we have Dunn and Rios turning it on in the second half to look forward to.

This really is disgusting.

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Jul 10, 2011 -> 04:00 PM) I'll take Hawk's side on this one: 1. Couldn't you say he's taking a shot at the Sox by saying "Gee, with all the injuries to the Twins, it's hard to believe we're 1-6 against them this season?" 2. He can't flat out call the team garbage because he would lose his job. Hawk could very easily get away with ripping the Sox.

The OFs taking their sweet time getting to that one.

QUOTE (Cerbaho-WG @ Jul 10, 2011 -> 03:56 PM) Hawk really needs to stop with the Twins flattery. You want to know why we're so f***ing bad against them? 1) We are a mediocre team. Period. 2) We hype the Twins up to be perfect. For a large part YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS. Hawk is so spineless. I can't remember the last time he said something outright negative (but truthful) about the Sox. Hawk needs to check the results of Twins games against everyone but the Sox.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jul 10, 2011 -> 01:04 PM) I think the argument is what young hitter or unproven hitter has come to the White Sox and flourished under Walker? Most aren't going to give Walker credit for Frank, Maggs, Lee, PK, Thome and Dye. Those guys were established long before they hooked up with Walker. I guess you can say CQ? Though he's been maddeningly inconsistent. Anderson? Fields? Getz? Beckham? Swisher? As where with Coop you can obviously point to Loaiza, Contreras, Thornton, Floyd and for the moment Humber. Dye had struggled for a couple of years with injuries. Thome had been hurt. Konerko was hitting like Adam Dunn currently is hitting but making more contact. Aaron Rowand swears by Walker. Pods became a better hitter. Crede was alright and was really starting to flourish in 2006 when his back gave out. Look at his numbers at the end of August that year. Alexei Ramirez, Iguchi. Again its a case where the perception is any success pitchers have is because of Cooper. If they fail they just suck. With Walker, if the fail, its because of Greg Walker. If they do well, it has nothing to do with him.

QUOTE (TheBigHurt @ Jul 9, 2011 -> 10:35 PM) I don't disagree. However as long as we've had both coaches I think hitting has been overall a MUCH bigger issue than hitting. Besides, numerous "meh" pitchers have come here only to turn themselves into real names. What hitters have done that? I can't think of a single one off-hand. Quentin is about as close as it gets and for the most part that was simply one year. That is a huge misconception. Since 2004 Walker's first full year the White Sox offense based on runs scored in the AL ranked 3rd-2004 9th-2005 3rd-2006 14th-2007 5th-2008 12th-2009 7th-2010 11th-2011 The pitchers ERA were ranked 12th-2004 2nd-2005 10th-2006 12th-2007 6th-2008 2nd-2009 8th-2010 6th-2011 So in the 8 years 4 times the offense was ranked higher than the pitching and 4 times the pitching was ranked higher than the offense. You could blame USCF, but most Sox pitchers have pitched better at home than on the road, and KW spends more money per pitcher than per position player over the years.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 10, 2011 -> 11:42 AM) You guys probably won't believe this, but Dunn when batting .180 still has a big presence in the lineup to an opposing pitcher. When he comes to the plate pitchers are still focusing in harder to remember scouting reports and not make a mistake to him. Adam Dunn is a big man and a big name and while the numbers might not bear it out, there's something to be said about a big bopping 3/4 hitter that has been one of the best power hitters around for that past 8-10 years. Pitchers remember that, none of them want to be the one to help him bust out of the slump. They all would rather see a hot-hitting AJ or whoever else. Great move, have Ramirez bunt so they can walk Konerko and the big "presence" Adam Dunn about 2-60 against LHP facing one of the better performing LHP's this year. GMAB. If they were so scared, why did they put Konerko on? Not only did he take the bat out of Ramirez's hands, he took it out of Paulie's hands. It was an idiotic move. There is no defense, especially considering he later refused to have Beckham bunt with no out and the winning run on second.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jul 10, 2011 -> 09:03 AM) even if ozzie was thinking of retiring, i think he would view this as a embarrassing moment. i agree with steve, if thos happened the way cowley told it, ozzie would have exploded on twitter, and so would his son There's also a couple things that no one has mentioned. Cowley tweets his stuff, whether its true or not, Oney hasn't said anything. Makes me think Ozzie isn't too upset about this if it is true. Oney did pop off Flowers was being called up because KW traded for him, thought it should be Lucy or better yet, the Sox should get Ivan Rodriquez.