Dick Allen

I wonder what JR is like during tonight's game. If you think we get upset when things go wrong, look up in his box when the Sox mess up.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jul 22, 2011 -> 07:42 PM) I believe he is hitless PERIOD! Actually he's 2 for 31, he's 0-18 with a runner on 3rd and 2 out. All that for only $12 million a year.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 22, 2011 -> 07:40 PM) 2 for 35 for Rios with RISP and 2 outs now? Also has a nice .445 OPS on the road. I believe he's hitless with a runner on 3rd.

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Jul 22, 2011 -> 07:37 PM) you gotta walk AJ to get to rios And anyone who pitches to Paulie with a base open and Dunn on deck deserves to get burned.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 22, 2011 -> 07:29 PM) Who knows if he is correct, but Cowley was saying today that Ozzie is keeping Dunn 4th as an F-U to Kenny for acquiring a slugging DH when KW knows Ozzie didn't want that. Funny, Joe, I mean Marty34 said the same thing in one of the threads yesterday. If its true, I believe Ozzie should be blackballed from baseball for not trying to win.

Would Ozzie be fired if he insisted on having Brent Morel leadoff? Would he get fired for insisting on batting Juan Pierre in the clean up spot? If the answer is yes to either, shouldn't he get fired for insisting to bat Dunn 4th after all he has seen?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 22, 2011 -> 02:23 PM) Why would they be expected to do better for Quentin this offseason? He's cheaper now for a team making a run right now, he's healthy now (which you know is a risk 2 months down the road)...and most importantly, he doesn't have to compete with a bunch of other FA outfield options next offseason, there are only a handful of available OF bats right now. I'd think you can get a lot more for him now than in 2 months. Unless he goes crazy and puts up a 1.200 OPS for August and September, which he can do but... I'm actually kind of shocked Quentin won't get you a good prospect, assuming Boers is accurate. Maybe teams are afraid of his arb number next year. If the Sox are "desperate" to move him like Terry says, they apparently are very afraid.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 22, 2011 -> 02:04 PM) He doesn't even save them that much money this year. If they really want to deal him, they can wait until this winter and do much better for him. If teams needing a bat for the second half don't want to give up anything of significance for him now, I don't see why that would necessarily change in the winter, but I do agree, at least with Quentin, it makes no sense to dump him unless your getting something useful in return. Jackson may be a different story if the Sox want to save a couple million and save the million or so the draft pick would cost. The one advantage you have in acquiring prospects is your are off the hook for their bonuses and you can already see some of their development and project what they may be.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 22, 2011 -> 02:03 PM) Or they are one bad week away from being done. It is amazing how a team can be so consistently mediocre for 100 games. It would make you conclude its a mediocre team, but if you're a mediocre team, the AL Central isn't a bad place to be.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 22, 2011 -> 01:59 PM) which says more about the weakness of the division than the play of the Sox. It also feels like we have been saying that for about 5 or 6 weeks now Of course. Imagine how big of idotsOzzie and KW would be if the Sox were in the AL East? I still am trying to figure out why Adam Dunn is batting 4th. Even Frank Thomas was dropped down in the line up when he struggled, and he never struggled like Dunn is.

QUOTE (onedude @ Jul 22, 2011 -> 11:54 AM) And the Indians have a ton of confidence....which multiplies if they can take at least 2 of 3. We need at least 2 of these games, and they have to be big victories, none of this wimpy eeking out bull s*** most of their wins have been lately Cleveland is the one team in the Central the Sox have done well against. I think they take at least 2 out of 3. Its amazing, but the Sox are one good week away from being serious contenders again.

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Jul 22, 2011 -> 01:50 PM) Jackson will be a type B free agent so the prospect return would have to be better than the draft pick we'd receive. You're not taking into account salary relief. We really have no idea where the Sox stand on that. They say they are broke, they bring in guys making 8 figures. They say the checks will clear, maybe they make salary dumps.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 22, 2011 -> 01:46 PM) I agree. If you aren't getting a Sandwich Pick type player plus back, sit on Jackson. Unless they are real desperate not to have to pay him the next couple months.

QUOTE (Real @ Jul 22, 2011 -> 01:29 PM) Terry Boers Sox contact says Sox are "desperate" to trade Quentin and Jackson, and that top prospects arent being offered for either player. Says 7 teams have been in contact about those two players I don't know why they would desperate to trade Quentin. The only thing I could think up is salary. They probably are really worried what he'll get next year, but unless they think he can't earn the money, with Konerko and Rios and Dunn on the books, there really isn't going to be a total rebuild, Quentin can help them win.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 22, 2011 -> 08:52 AM) Who has the minor league contacts to know when a player is coming up? I heard a rumor that this may actually be happening. Not that it hasn't made sense and was the most logical move for at least 2 months, but it makes a lot of sense now as this weekend and the beginning of next week are against the teams ahead of them. The next 6 games could make or break the Sox, then they play Boston and the Yankees.

The bullpen faded last year, I think they don't want it to fade this year as appearances pile up. It all may be moot if they don't start winning some games. A bad weekend this weekend and the season could be over. A good one, and they will amazingly be right there. A sweep would be devine.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jul 22, 2011 -> 07:37 AM) I can't believe the prevailing opinion on this board doesn't hold Kenny Hollywood accountable for this mess. I doubt there is anyone on this board that doesn't give KW any blame for this current mess. He should be accountable, so should Ozzie, so should JR, so should the coaches, so should the players. I don't know if you have noticed, it seems the most frustrating part of this season is how no one IS apparently taking accountablity. Nothing changes. If the Sox don't win this division and this brand of baseball continues the next 64 games, when they give you the line they gave after 2007 that no one could have seen this coming, maybe not, but certainly a lot of teams would have done SOMETHING about it by now. The problem is the GM and manager apparently don't get along and seem IMO to be trying to get the Chairman to be on their side. They are working harder at winning over JR than they are at trying to win games, and each has too big of ego and is too stubborn apparently to admit they were wrong and change it up a bit.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jul 21, 2011 -> 09:13 PM) Not Cowley or a Guillen, but too many posters think the Sox front office is above reproach. Truth is Williams (and Hahn) is most responsible for this mess. Actually in a roundabout way Ozzie is with his love of Mark Kotsay. If Ozzie agrees and the Sox sign Thome in 2010 and they use him in spots like the Twins did, they probably never talk contract with Adam Dunn, and he's probably the Tigers problem now. Also his handling of Alex Rios is deplorable. He finally benches him for loafing, something Ozzie said he's done numerous times (duh) but the benching only lasts a couple innings. Then big bad Ozzie, he the guy who says he doesn't care what anyone thinks, than goes on a rant if he's ever criticized, backs off and says Rios riding pine for a couple of innings wasn't a message to him, but rather to the team. Nice backtrack. Interesting the guy who knows all the buttons to push on Wednesday complained about his team's energy. Apparently the message didn't get through, and if he's such a genius Joe, ask Oney, how Ozzie's teams find themselves in these situations year after year after year. You would think if a guy knew it all, his team would just continue to build leads in their divison as the season went on.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jul 21, 2011 -> 09:40 PM) Do you honestly believe the White Sox can't DL Dunn? If he's not hurt. Believe me, other teams would be very curious and there would be an investigation. This isn't the NBA with an inactive list.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jul 21, 2011 -> 09:33 PM) I don't see that as an issue. Of course not Joe. Go shine Oney's shoes and always remember the Guillen family motto, if the Sox win, its because Ozzie is a brilliant manager. If they lose, its because KW is a horrible GM.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jul 21, 2011 -> 09:24 PM) Having Dunn on the bench does no good. He can't run or play defense. He needs to be DL'ed. DLing a non injured player would cost JR even more money with the gigantic fine he'd be required to pay. You're saying Ozzie is batting Dunn 3rd or 4th as an angle to get KW to hopefully put him on the DL? Wouldn't sitting him down do the trick or batting him 8th and hitting like he's hitting?

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jul 21, 2011 -> 09:01 PM) There isn't a manager in baseball who can sit a free agent signed for 4y/$56M for an extended period of time without the blessing of the GM. Batting him 4th might be an effort to get Hollywood to do something with him. I'm shocked they haven't put him on the DL yet. What exactly is "Hollywood" supposed to do with him? He can't trade him. JR isn't going to eat all that cash without seeing if he can somehow come around in the next year or so. If he must play, you still have to try to win, not try to show up your boss. If Ozzie is trying to show up KW batting Dunn 3rd or 4th he should be fired and blackballed from baseball for not trying to win.

QUOTE (Mr. Showtime @ Jul 21, 2011 -> 08:37 PM) Boers and Bernsie were talking about this on their show today. Bernsie brought up that people he talks to tell him (take it for what you will) that there is rift between the pitchers and the offense. He phrased it as similar to a defense in football knowing they can't give up a touchdown because the offense is horrible. Bernsie said he was told he pitchers feel if they give up more than 2 runs in a game that they'll lose. Peavy mentioned after his last loss that it's tough to win when you only score 2. Coop got mad in this interview when Barry Rozner mentioned Humber had 2 bad games in a row. Coop was saying he had 1 bad inning in Detroit, but if they could hit and catch the ball it wouldn't be an issue. Did Bernstein get this information from the same person who told him the Sox told the Guillen family they would be drafting Ozney, when in fact, they told them they would not draft him? Bernstein is a pompous ass who is a bright guy, except when it comes to White Sox baseball.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jul 21, 2011 -> 08:29 PM) You don't honestly think Guillen wants to play Dunn do you? Dunn is the anti-Guillen player. Bad defensively, strikes out a ton, and can't run. Dunn, Rios, and Peavy are clearly Kenny guys. Then explain to me why he bats Dunn 3rd or 4th? Whether you believe it or not, Ozzie makes the line ups. He finally sat Dunn twice, then said he had a sore knee. We know thats BS. He has no chance. Supposedly as bad as he looks during the games, he looks equally awful during BP.

I don't get too excited about 27 year olds' stats in AAA although I agree, he can't be any worse than Rios. KW did say earlier this year he was a lot better player than most people thought.