Dick Allen

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 22, 2010 -> 01:12 PM) I don't even know why this would have any effect on his trade value. It's his non-throwing shoulder, and he will be able to play through it. I would think staring at any type of surgery has to drop your sexiness to other teams at least a little bit.

Ozzie said Teahen is going to get some DH time when he comes back. Anyone still think the Sox really don't need a DH?

Shingo was 8-9 in save opportunities when he lost his job and ultimately was DFA'd. Jenks has been pretty bad this season save for a pretty good stretch in June and part of July. He was pretty bad in 2009. Its time to move on. He cannot be trusted with the final outs. The division should be close. These 2 games may make a huge difference at the end. I know closers are perfect, but a 3 run lead in the 9th on Sunday, you don't have to be perfect and still get the save. Seattle hadn't scored a run forever before Jenks entered last night.

QUOTE (Lemon_44 @ Jul 22, 2010 -> 05:35 AM) I agree with Greg. Jenks,in close situations,has been very good until these last 2. Every player goes through slumps and Bobby is in one because his stuff looks very average to below average right now. If he shakes it and gets his stuff back, the bullpen is again the best in the league. If he continues to struggle, the good thing is there are options. The bad thing is, with Jenks mentality, he seems like he may be useless if he's not in a closing role as evidenced by his performance in non-save situations. Let's face it, the team is at its best when Jenks is closing out games like he can and having Putz, Santos, and Thornton shuting down the game in the earlier innings. I think you see what you want to see with this guy not the facts. Jenks has allowed seven runs on seven hits while walking two in 2 2/3 innings covering his past four outings since the All-Star break. He's made a lot of outings interesting this year. He has cost the Sox 2 wins in 4 days. Only one counted as a blown save because once he was so awful they pulled him before the other team took the lead. When you have other options, better options, like Putz and Thornton, its time to let go and realize Bobby isn't nearly as good as those two and shouldn't be the guy counted on to end games in his final couple months as a White Sox.

QUOTE (dasox24 @ Jul 20, 2010 -> 08:19 PM) McGrady is worth a shot. You can't do much better right now. If he gets hurt, you sign a guy out of the NBDL and make do. It's not like there's a lot of minutes to go around right now. Is it really that great if we sign a Roger Mason Jr. type and he plays 10 minutes/game? Will he make enough of a difference to matter? No... Basically, you see if McGrady can work out and if he gives you solid bench minutes, it's great. If not, you split those minutes among Brewer, Korver, JJ, and sign a D-leaguer to fill the bench. I'd prefer to take that chance. McGrady is a me first type of guy. There are a lot of NBA people hoping he would take the minimum in Miami so he could ruin that team. I would be shocked if the Bulls sign him even if he would play for the minimum and would be more shocked if the Bulls signed him if he actually was a useful player and lasted the entire season on the roster.

The one massive upgrade KW can give this team is an upgrade at DH with Dunn. His price will come down a little. The Sox sent Reed, Olivo and Morse to Seattle for what was at the time a rental in Garcia. Signed him and he was a huge part of winning a title while the prospects faded. I'd hate to give up Hudson now, because if he stops walking people he should be fine. All others are fair game as far as I'm concerned if Dunn is the prize. He makes an average line up a scary one.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 20, 2010 -> 07:15 AM) Part of the reason Flowers is hitting for a low average but walking a lot might be that, at least lately, his lineup "protection" has been Josh Kroeger, who hasn't hit for s*** all year. He's picked it up in the walks department, but this season has been a huge dissappointment offensively thus far. To give any blame to Kroeger when you are on a pace to strikeout almost 200 times in 500 AB in AAA seems a bit silly. He's just struggled.

QUOTE (longshot7 @ Jul 19, 2010 -> 06:42 PM) Swisher. But KW made it sound like they just sent that player home. They never sent Swisher home although I do agree they thought of him as a cancer, so if it was him, KW probably made it a little more dramatic than it really was, but I could have sworn I heard this story at Soxfest long before Swisher was a White Sox.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Jul 18, 2010 -> 05:59 PM) This hurts but it isn't fatal. I'm not at all ready to say that this is a season ender, just a momentum shifter. Back in 2003 Jose Paniagua was lit up by the Twins for several runs in the 9th inning in a game the White Sox won. He is still the butt of jokes and the finger is pointed at him for giving the Twins "momentum" and overcoming the White Sox in September. Manuel was called an idiot for pitching him, and Paniagua was the season's goat, even though every game he appeared in while wearing a White Sox uniform was a White Sox victory. How do the same people spin this Jenks' performance as anything but death to the White Sox? For all those that blamed Paniagua for 2003, the season has to be over. I was surprised when Jenks was on his bereavement that Ozzie mentioned the calf was still bothering him because he had been pitching much better, but since he's been back, he's been awful. Make Putz the closer. Its probably too late for him to get his $3 million kicker this year, plus you set him up to re-sign next year when Jenks is somewhere else. Let Jenks pitch the 7th or 8th with a short leash until he gets himself straighten out. It has to be at least 100:1 that Jenks is a White Sox beyond this season. He seems heavier than ever IMO. Its time to give him a lesser role. Today was a game that in no way should have been lost, but they are still in first place and hopefully some reinforcement(s) are coming soon.

QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Jul 18, 2010 -> 04:39 PM) Okay so serious question... Should Jenks be used as trade bait? I bet he would thrive in the NL. Should be be flipped to an NL contender for some prospects that could add to a package for a trade to get a LH bat or another starting pitcher? 300 lb guys with diminishing stuff who have lots of leg problems and make $7.5 million generally don't have much trade value.

QUOTE (AWhiteSoxinNJ @ Jul 18, 2010 -> 04:32 PM) Good teams would of buried Blackburn when they had to chance and not leaving too many runners in scoring position. This team has no killer instincts at all. First off, Friday the Sox had a chance to become the first team since 2001 in MLB to have 2 ten game winning streaks the same season. They blew that game, but did give themselves a pretty good shot in the 9th. Last night it was a 1 run game. Today they blew it, but in reality, Jenks blew it. A 3 run lead in the ninth should be automatic. I don't think they are as good as they have been playing before these 3 losses, and the fact ist they were 26-5. If the Sox had the attitude you claim they have, they would have mailed this season in long ago. Now remove Jenks as the closer, get another bat and if you think Minnesota or Detroit, a team that was swept by Cleveland is better, good for you, but I'll take my chances.

Not that it really was a big deal and most likely only delayed the inevitable, and saved Jenks an earned run, but who exactly was Rios throwing the ball to?

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jul 18, 2010 -> 04:17 PM) A walk isnt even the worst situation, it sets up the force at the plate. Obviously youd love a K or pop up. You're right, but its not exactly ideal to put the winning run in scoring position with 0 out.

I just got back from Minneapolis. The park really is nice. I did witness something very funny. On Thursday about 1 pm, I went to will call to pick up some tickets. Jeff Cox is in front of me trying to get in the park. "I need to get in the f***ing park. No I don't have an ID. I'm Jeff f***ing Cox. I'm the f***ing 3rd base coach. " He got in.

All you need to know about Viciedo and 3B is the White Sox moved him to first. I really doubt they have any illusions he'll be anything but poor there, but he's not up for his glove.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 11, 2010 -> 03:02 PM) Quentin's 3rd multi homer game within a week. 3rd in the last 4 games he's played.

Too bad, he really had quite a voice. The first time I went to Yankee Stadium was in 2002, and he was there full-time, but was slipping back then. It was pretty cool, even though he announced Jose Valentin as the White Sox hitter for 3 consecutive batters.

QUOTE (kjshoe04 @ Jul 8, 2010 -> 09:27 PM) Delonte West is the first picture on the Cavs site right now. He's probably pretty close to or at least the closest to any man who Lebron can call Daddy.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 8, 2010 -> 09:10 PM) You really don't think the Bulls were going to ask Michael to go out on "speaking engagements," do you? As if the guy didn't do enough for them already? DA, I respect what you're saying here, but they clearly misunderstood who they had to be selling this to...bringing in 4 stodgy white guys probably was not the best way to sell LeBron and his "team." I think that much is clear considering how quickly he glossed over the Bulls when asked about them. JR has been around 25 years. Paxson, who BTW, was one of the guys the guy said actually wouldn't embarrass the org. sending him out, has played with and drafted some of these guys. Riley and Mickey Aranson and the Miami coach are 3 white guys who signed him. I'm sure they weren't too shocked by anything that went on during their presentation. He spoke more about the Bulls than any of the other "losing" team. He wanted to play with his buddies and his other buddies wanted to hang and party in South Beach.

Are the 3000+ new Bulls full season ticketholders ready to unload at a huge discount now?

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 8, 2010 -> 08:53 PM) I had this discussion earlier with my best friend. I think the problem is that they overestimated the maturity and intelligence with which these twentysomething year old kids would handle the process. Instead of hiring intelligent people around them, they've decided to listen to their friends and try and form an NBA dynasty as if this were one of their AAU summer leagues. Unfortunately, it's not. And it's going to really hurt their own legacies and the NBA as a whole. They are pretty well versed on the maturity levels of these guys and have been for years. I was somewhere with an old Bulls trainer many years ago. He actually spoke about the lack of maturity with the Bulls and the roster included Jordan. He said there were only 2 players the team would send out to speaking functions because they were the only players that could handle it, and MJ wasn't one.

Kevin O'Neill Bosh's first NBA coach, said Boozer is better than Bosh.

His voice sounds like Rodman.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jul 6, 2010 -> 05:57 PM) Problem is the new CBA may drastically reduce salaries. Lebron 3 year deal would have to be a 6 year deal with opt out. That's the rumor but I really doubt they will go down much, not the way the owners continue throwing money around.

With the rumor that Lebron is going to sign a 2 or 3 year deal and the difference between what Cleveland can give him in those 2 or 3 years is not $30 million but pretty slight relatively speaking, something like less than $5 million, what is the fewest amount of years a team can give these FAs to where they have the full advantage of re-signing them when the contract expires? Couldn't JR give these guys max contracts with a 3 year out and a wink wink agreement he will give them the full boat then? Then they come out ahead.