Dick Allen

QUOTE (Chisoxfaninminny @ Aug 10, 2010 -> 03:59 PM) whats the feeling from the chicago perspective. Most twins fans are predicting twins win at least 2 outta 3. They arent throwing out great pitchers, what is the chicago take on the 3 games The Chicago take is the Twins board their charter after the series in second place 3 games out of first.

QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Aug 9, 2010 -> 09:01 AM) I think this "clubhouse chemistry" thing is so overrated. These are grown ass men, not little girl scouts. You know what boosts clubhouse chemistry? WINNING! You could have a team full of Jim Thomes and Paul Konerkos, and if they're losing, the chemistry wouldn't be the greatest. Exactly. This team was 9.5 games out with the same cast of characters. No one was talking about the great chemistry then. They have proven they can be great with this roster and they can be awful with this roster. Hopefully, KW can get another bat, but it certainly doesn't look good. They just lost 3 of 4 to Baltimore and still are in first place, so not all is bad.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Aug 9, 2010 -> 09:00 PM) I really hope Carlos didn't just hurt himself. He was out of control. He really is nuts.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 9, 2010 -> 08:55 PM) It didn't seem unusual to me. At the end he held his arm low almost looked like a cramp, then tried shaking something out of it.

I just replayed it 3 times, Thornton definitely tweaked something in his arm or elbow that last pitch.

QUOTE (ScottyDo @ Aug 7, 2010 -> 11:13 PM) Block on the Giants? They don't really have the space for him, do they? They know they won't give Dunn away now, so it was an easy block.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 8, 2010 -> 02:18 PM) Guthrie's move is too good. On his stolen base, a decent throw and he was out. The chances of Jake Fox making a decent throw are very slim. I hate when a team shuts down the running game because they are down 2 runs.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 8, 2010 -> 02:16 PM) Because we need 2 here and not 1, probably. Since its almost automatic that he'd be safe and with Vizquel, pretty much a singles hitter at bat, it doesn't hurt to take them when you can get them. One run is better than none.

Why Pierre doesn't run on the first pitch with Jake Fox behind the plate is beyond me.

QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Aug 8, 2010 -> 02:05 PM) Hawk b****ing about the zone. Based on what I have seen, I have no issues with the strike zone. You should know by now if the Sox are losing the umpiring is an issue according to the White Sox TV booth. If they are winning, the umpires are doing a great job.

QUOTE (Real @ Aug 7, 2010 -> 03:37 PM) He said the rule had recently changed, and also I dont think Rios had any NTC let alone a full one He had full protection last year and this and limited protection the duration of his contract.

QUOTE (Real @ Aug 7, 2010 -> 01:12 PM) They had Steve Philips on the score this morning, he said players with NTC cant be claimed on the waiver wire, they can only be traded if they pass through unclaimed. If a team claims a player with a NTC on the waiver wire, they are immediately pulled off as a block. So if this is the case, obviously the twins would put a claim on Manny to block us from getting him Alex Rios had full no trade protection in 2009. Phillips continues to show why he is an ex-GM.

QUOTE (ScottyDo @ Aug 6, 2010 -> 07:03 AM) The timing of a deal would be entirely dependent on when the team puts the player on waivers, would it not? If the Dodgers decided to take Manny off the DL and waive him tomorrow, KW would have no choice but to make the trade in the next couple of days. He really has little to no control over the timeline, unless he just didn't put in a claim on anybody until that date. Manny will clear waivers, so the deal, if there is one to be made can be made at any time after that.

QUOTE (JPN366 @ Aug 5, 2010 -> 04:59 PM) The Red Sox will make a big push for him now that Youkilis is out for the year. Its possible, but you would think Delgado is a DH at least for now which really wouldn't make him a fit there. If contending is his requirement, if I was him and the offers similar, I would take the White or Red right now. I think the Red Sox are toast in that division.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Aug 5, 2010 -> 07:25 AM) It's difficult for me to give Walker credit. We see Coop take on pitchers that have failed elsewhere and succeed here. We don't really see that with our hitters. And at the end of the day our offense is around middle of the pack. Really? How was Konerko under Gary Ward? How was Thome's injury plagued 2005? How was Dye in Oakland? How was Quentin in Arizona? How was Pods in Milwaukee? Ask Aaron Rowand about Gary Ward vs. Greg Walker.

They had one at Dave and Buster's downtown several years ago. The Big Unit was featured. It was the only thing I played and no one else was interested. I went back about a month later to take a few more cuts but it was gone.

QUOTE (balfanman @ Aug 4, 2010 -> 02:55 AM) Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but do you think that with the players themselves burning Kotsays' bats the other day in an effort to get him going, that his fellow teamates are getting a little fed up with trying to carry his much less than solid bat in the lineup almost evey game. I'm thinking that with K.W. trying pretty desparately to add another bat that Ozzie too sees the writing on the wall at this point. Could it be that the reason Kotsay started both games of the twin bill was a last ditch effort by Ozzie to get Kotsays' bat going because he knows that time is short, and if Kotsay doesn't justify himself soon that Ozzie will have no other choice but to DFA him in favor of Teahen. Ozzie can be extremely stubborn at times, but he isn't stupid. I don't think his teammates are fed up with his production, they want him to hit. He's a popular guy. I do think you may be on to something with Ozzie playing him both games. With Teahen coming back, maybe Ozzie realizes its put up or shut up time with Kotsay.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 3, 2010 -> 10:29 PM) The baseball sources you had also said we'd get Adam Dunn. If he really does have a Phillies source, it was pretty good information. They can only speculate as to where a guy like Dunn was going. I doubt very much they themselves were asking about him, and everyone had him going to the White Sox. He did say Philadelphia would get Oswalt, which wasn't a shock but accurate, in fact, about an hour after he posted it, I read a baseball "expert" on one of the websites who said Oswalt was a lock to St. Louis. I have many disagreements with NJ, but whether its a radio or TV show he has access to or a real person with the Phillies, you cannot dismiss his claims of inside sources as BS based on Dunn. A Tampa exec said Dunn was a lock to be a Yankee, and 10 minutes later the Yankees get Berkman.

Kotsay is 0-20 against LHP and down to .214 overall, with Andruw Jones down to .201. Looks like the experiment, while the White Sox are in first place, has been a failure. Either put Viciedo in there to DH or get a legit hitter. I don't mind Jones and Kotsay on the bench. Jones can still play a little defense and could hit a homer from time to time, but Kotsay is Darin Erstad revisited. Hopefully when they decide Teahen must come back, the make the correct decision and give Kotsay a little more time with his wife.

According to their trainer,Manny is at least a week from playing. I wouldn't be surprised if he already cleared waivers. Why would a team risk taking on all that money without even knowing for sure his injury situation.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 3, 2010 -> 09:01 PM) Not really, as I know TV shares are way down, which will impact the amount of money they make in coming years. I don't really care about other teams though, but it seems like Sox are doing fairly well money wise. They always do, but magically, they break even every year.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 3, 2010 -> 08:55 PM) The question was whether or not the Dodgers were going to sell at all or not. If the Dodgers were wanting to Shed Salary, the Sox would have helped them out. If the Dodgers wanted to add prospects, the Sox weren't going to do that and absorb a salary hit. The Dodgers made their choice. They held Manny and added $7 million or so in salary with the guys they added, despite multiple reports of insane financial issues in LAD due to the McCourt divorce. The dodgers aren't selling for money, and the Sox aren't dumping Viciedo for a 1.5 month rental on the DL and off the juice. If you want a player and are willing to pay $6-7 million for him, why would you only offer $1 million? You said if they offered to pick up the rest of contract you feel they would have landed him. Since they didn't land him, chances are they aren't willing to pick that up. It makes zero sense not to offer your best package on July 31 if you are willing to pay that same price sometime in August. I see no reason a team will claim Manny and risk the financial obligation. He's been hurt 3 times this year, and his numbers while very nice aren't MVP type.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 3, 2010 -> 08:45 PM) THe Sox lowball offer was to get the Dodgers talking and see if there was anything there. If the Dodgers had fired back with "we'll give you him for nothing if you take on the full salary", I think he'd be on the Sox right now. Instead, the Dodgers asked for Viciedo. You just answered the question. So if the Sox are willing to pay his entire contract, why did they not offer to do it before the deadline? Its really not KWs style to mess around with lowball offers, especially with the deadline rapidly approaching. The only way they claim him is if they have something worked out with LA in which LA would guarantee they wouldn't just award him the contract and have a deal worked out.

QUOTE (AWhiteSoxinNJ @ Aug 3, 2010 -> 08:36 PM) I told you why! Economy and $$$$ No one is going to claim him with the fear of the Dodgers giving Manny away to save money. Multiple GM's said money is an issue on MLB Network the last week of July on all they're trade shows. It is the real deal, i've said it in 5 posts already in the this thread. I've statement my opinion in all of those threads. And if you didn't know LeBrun was going to play for Miami, then shame on you. It was a done deal 6 months ago. I agree. If teams have $6-7 million to spend on a loose cannon, despite his talent, for a third of the season they have a lot of explaining to do. If the Sox were willing to pay that much they wouldn't have screwed around with their lowball offer. Manny can hit, but there's some question marks. Attitude, health, both getting healthy and staying healthy, and while he's been good since his PED bust, he's certainly not what he was. I can't see the White Sox pay a guy that kind of money for 50 games to DH when they wouldn't give others that for an entire season. Manny has good numbers in limited ABs but certainly not eye popping.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Aug 3, 2010 -> 06:29 PM) No, but I could see some of the unusual suspects claiming him...it's a risk when we need him so badly... If the Sox were willing to take the entire contract or anything close, they would have offered more than $1 million in relief and no players. I heard an interview with Colleti and he summed up the monetary figure as pocket change.