Dick Allen

Javy and pitching in a big game don't go together well.

QUOTE (quickman @ Sep 17, 2008 -> 03:41 PM) completely agree, Blake will come and play here next year with some kind of two year deal. Quite frankly I think its a good fit and nice stop gap, until Beckham is ready, and yes I think Beckham may play third if he can fill out. Again all hunches. Ironically, Blake has missed some time recently with back issues.

QUOTE (daa84 @ Sep 17, 2008 -> 08:46 PM) yeah because middle relievers are notoriously fickle.... Granted they overpaid. I was hoping he would have a huge season and KW would trade him, but I think he got a no trade. You do have to admit that without him the first half of the season, the White Sox would have no chance at the playoffs.

Linebrink-injured Dotel-gassed Jenks-struggling Logan-gascan Wasserman-blows Ramirez-blows even more Broadway-blows more than Ramirez MacDougal-strikes will always be a problem Thornton-doing OK but can't pitch every game This is the problem.

QUOTE (daa84 @ Sep 17, 2008 -> 08:36 PM) haha its a bad signing...even when he was dealing i said it was bad...you just dont give middle relievers 4 year deals for 20 mil for the very reasons we are seeing right now Without Linebrink before he got hurt, we would be seeing Jerry Owens and Josh Fields playing everyday. We would see Mike MacDougal and Erin Wasserman pitching almost every day, we would see Horacio Ramirez nightly because these games would be meaningless.................oh wait......................

QUOTE (Friend of Nordhagen @ Sep 17, 2008 -> 08:35 PM) Linebrink being seriously injured has been obvious for about 6 weeks now. The Sox treated hit like the Soviets treated whether Andropov or Chernenko were dead -- nah, nothing wrong here, but we just won't talk about it, and you won't see the guy for weeks, and everything's fine. Linebrink's looking like Josh Hamilton's high school coach at the home run derby.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 17, 2008 -> 07:32 PM) Our starting pitching has been awesome for a week now. Unfortunately, if they can't go 8, they will be lucky to get a win.

Linebrink is toast. Come clean White Sox, tell us the truth. He needs surgery. To think KW said Linebrink didn't really need to be DL'd.............

Linebrink can't stop messing with his shoulder. I predict offseason surgery.

Fire Greg Walker

We can b**** about the Sox not hitting Chamberlain, but the reality is few do hit him.

Maybe Joba will put one in Thome's wheelhouse. Maybe not.

JD has no chance against this guy.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 17, 2008 -> 07:17 PM) I have a bigger issue with AJP seemingly coasting during these games now. Of course, Hawk thinks AJP should play more, neglecting the fact that AJP seems to completely hit the wall as the season goes on. Ever since AJ got away with that interference BS, he's been awful. Maybe its karma.

Linebrink is hurt. I think its a lot more serious than they are letting on. Sunday, when he finally got in and gave up a bomb, he was trying to stretch out his shoulder the entire time he was on the mound.

Why is Hawk so surprised? Its Mike MacDougal. Its like being shocked Josh Fields strikes out.

According to baseball cube, Oney was signed by Dave Wilder. I wonder how much they had to fill his dufflebag .

QUOTE (scenario @ Sep 17, 2008 -> 08:57 AM) What "advancement" did Oney see? He had his butt parked on the bench for most of a season at Bristol last year. He played in 2 games at Great Falls in 2008 followed by 17 games on the bench at Kanny. Any players watching and concerning themselves with that type of "advancement", if you could call it that, need to look in the mirror and slap themselves. OK... he got one game at Charlotte. But there was logic behind that. The Knights needed a 2nd baseman for a meaningless end of season game. No way they were going to pull somebody up from Birmingham or W-S since both of those teams were preparing for their league playoffs. So, they had to bring someone up from Kannapolis. Was there any other low A-ball 2nd baseman who was passed over for 1 game callup to AAA.... somebody who did so well that they were worthy of that callup? No. Its nice to know you have no problem with one of the worst farm systems in baseball being a playground for relatives of others in the organization. So what he's a 36th round pick. Well, Buerhle was a 38th round pick. Good thing the White Sox didn't decide to draft JR's neighbor with 2 left feet instead that year, so maybe he could have a good time and be overmatched as a rookie. Oney, if his last name was Smith, would have at least been released after the 2007 season. If the guy's last name was anything but Guillen, he wouldn't have been drafted, and he wouldn't have received the opportunities he received, including playing one game in Charlotte. That is just wrong.

QUOTE (kyyle23 @ Sep 17, 2008 -> 09:27 AM) Im not an expert either, but when I worked in radio they made me sign a no-compete that lasted 3 months after termination date, whether it be by resignation, firing, or retiring. I have been told a few times that no-compete clauses are a little iffy to enforce, but who knows My wife is a labor/employment lawyer. She has said in the past most non competes are unenforceable.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Sep 17, 2008 -> 12:07 PM) $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ makes perfect sense, economically. Week day games are harder to sellout. Sox-Scrubbies will sellout regardless of when its played. Extra money in the pocket!!! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Yeah, but that series is at Wrigley. They could play Lane Tech High School on a Wednesday in February and it would sellout as long as the beer vendors were coming.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Sep 17, 2008 -> 11:23 AM) I dunno, a seemingly unrelated injury seemed to affect Jermaine Dye too. It didn't affect his strikeout rate, and his walk rate didn't go down dramatically IIRC. Fields either needs to become a walk machine and increase his OBP significantly and try to be Adam Dunn Jr. offensively, or drop his K rate by a huge amount if he is to become much of a major leaguer IMO. 200 k's a year, hitting .240 with a pretty low OBP gets you the Greg Norton career in a hurry. He's already in Ozzie's doghouse for regressing defensively. Its a house that is very hard to exit.

I don't know what effect his knee injury had on swinging and missing, something he did with even more regularity this year.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 17, 2008 -> 08:21 AM) If they were that discouraged by that, something tells me they weren't going to have the testicular fortitude to advance to the majors anyway. Maybe not, but you're dealing with 17-20 year olds.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Sep 17, 2008 -> 02:30 AM) Who was honestly hurt by Oney Guillen's promotions throughout the Sox minor league system? That would be impossible to determine. I would imagine it would have some affect on his teammates at lower levels who outperformed him and were obviously better players than him only to see him advance because of his last name. Who knows if that discouraged one or some enough to where they don't develop into useful players. It might be understandable if a high pick moves up, but a 36th rounder hitting .120 with 1000 errors moving up and you're staying put might just put a thought in the back of your mind that you can't play. If the guy's name was Oney Jones, he never would have been drafted or signed.

QUOTE (scenario @ Sep 16, 2008 -> 10:55 AM) I find it sort of funny that anybody would really be irritated that we 'wasted' a 36th round draft pick on Oney. The year the Sox drafted Carrie Schueler, and it was later than the 36th round, they drafted at least 4 players that played in the major leagues, including Placido Polanco, who obviously didn't sign, after her. I never had a problem with them drafting Oney, it was better than drafting KW's other son and Schueler's daughter because at least he signed. He obviously showed he had no business playing professional baseball.