Dick Allen

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Jul 24, 2008 -> 02:39 PM) Pitchers traded during the 2004 season: Jeremy Griffiths Dave Weathers Gabe White Denny Bautista Jason Grimsley Mike Wood Octavio Dotel Freddy Garcia Jimmy Anderson Gary Majewski Jon Rauch Mike Dejean Scott Randall Terry Adams Todd Jones Brad Penny Josh Hancock Andy Machado Guillermo Mota Felix Rodriguez Bill Murphy Bartolome Fortunato Jose Diaz Kris Benson Jon Huber Francis Beltran Tom Martin Esteban Loaiza Jose Contreras Ismael Valdez Travis Chick Scott Erickson Jeriome Robertson Cory Lidle Elmer Dessens Mike Venafro Dan Wheeler Freddy was a HUGE get, especially when you consider in the fact that he was mainly bidding against the Yankees. Considering salary and hype, Garcia and Contreras were probably the 2 biggest names on the list.

From espn.com Jarrod Washburn, who has an ERA of 2.65 in his last eight starts, is reportedly drawing interest from the Yankees, Cardinals, White Sox, and possibly the Brewers. The New York Yankees appear to be the most interested party, however Washburn has a limited no-trade clause which allows him to veto a trade to the Bronx. Although he told the Seattle Post-Intelligencer that "I love it here in Seattle," he did concede that he loves to win and would "strongly consider (waiving his veto) if it came to me." I remember several years ago this guy was called Mark Buerhle lite. I personally think he would be a disaster in USCF.

QUOTE (whitesoxbrian @ Jul 24, 2008 -> 03:27 PM) Well, no s***. But KW never does. Some GMs sometimes do. Garcia, Contreras. 40% of a WS rotation. One guy won 17 consecutive decisions. Name some of the big names traded that KW should have acquired?

QUOTE (Tony82087 @ Jul 24, 2008 -> 02:17 PM) And how many of them were moved that year?? Not only that but how are Carpenter, Clement and Pavano bigger names than Freddy at the time?

QUOTE (whitesoxbrian @ Jul 24, 2008 -> 03:12 PM) Lowe, Carpenter, Clemens, Clement, and Pavano were all bigger names, IMO. How many of them were traded during the season? KW brings in big names. Wells, Colon, Dye. Roberto Alomar was a big name. Everett was an All Star the year he acquired him. Billy Koch was a big name. Some would say Swisher and Thome and Cabrera were big names.

QUOTE (Jimbo's Drinker @ Jul 24, 2008 -> 11:12 AM) It's more of an internal boo, I would never boo at a sporting event. As you said, Mays and Payton are legends in their sports. Konerko at this point is an overpaid has been who is killing the current state of the white sox. He needs to go! Yeah, he's just killing the White Sox. BTW, he started the rally to win the game yesterday. You had some fine posts in that game thread.

If the Sox do trade Uribe for Cora or something else, watch for all the people who thought it made perfect sense just to release him , you know, the same guys who complain whenever he plays, to complain the Sox didn't get enough.

QUOTE (Jimbo's Drinker @ Jul 24, 2008 -> 11:02 AM) Sports is a fickle world. I live in the "now", and appreciate the past. However, in the current state of the White Sox and my support, I boo my brains out for the guy. He looks over the hill and finished. It is unfair to cheer an athlete and to keep him around based upon his performances in the past. sports is a what have you done for me lately kind of field. If you want to cheer him based upon the 2005 accomplishments, I recommend you wait for the 10 year anniversary. Boo a guy for getting old. That's classic. Its classless and stupid as well. Get a grip and realize the White Sox don't make personnel decisions on whether or not you boo. Sometimes players deserve your respect. Did you boo the hell out of Walter Payton his last season with the Bears? If you were a Met fan, would you have booed Willie Mays his last season? Granted, Konerko isn't in their class career-wise, but the premise is the same. Booing him and/or thinking its acceptable is beyond immature, unless you think he isn't trying.

QUOTE (Brian @ Jul 24, 2008 -> 11:58 AM) We have bulletin board material when the Tigers said they weren't impressed with us last time we were there. If the Sox need bulletin board material, assuming bulletin board material is slamming their team, they need not look further than this board. There's been enough material here since they have been in first place to last about 10 seasons of cellar dwelling.

Its ridiculous to boo Konerko. Examine why you are booing him. Are you booing him because you think he sucks? Why does he suck? Is it because he has been hurt? Is it because he's getting older? Is it because he doesn't try? If you boo a guy because he's older and losing his skills or because he's playing hurt, you are a dope. I'm sorry, booing Konerko is so beyond stupid it makes me mad. I'm not his biggest fan, but he did help bring something to this town that actually made people cry tears of joy. You never have heard him b**** and moan about a contract, and he's never embarrassed his team or the people that call his team theirs. Some people should appreciate things. Some day they will be in a position where they will need some appreciation.

QUOTE (jackie hayes @ Jul 24, 2008 -> 09:13 AM) Is it disallowed, or just not often done? From Neyer's Transactions Primer: That makes it sound like it's allowed, just not 'cool'. Wouldn't happen, anyway. The Dodgers would probably rather hold onto him on the off chance he comes back this year. (Iirc, he's vowed to play again this year, not that it means much.) I think you have to wait until the player is off the DL. Hence, the PTBNL. I could be wrong, but I did read that once a long time ago.

QUOTE (Jenks Heat @ Jul 24, 2008 -> 08:39 AM) I didn't look into it but how does that work with compensation picks???????? I also believe you can't trade guys on the DL

QUOTE (lostfan @ Jul 24, 2008 -> 08:33 AM) No offense to any individual person, but this whole "let's not bring up anything negative because we're in first place" response to even the slightest flaw in this team someone brings up is getting pretty obnoxious. It's almost as bad as the hypersensitive negative responses to everything in the first place. What's obnoxious is every time a guy goes into a slump, he's toast. Every time the Sox lose a game the season is over. Just look at the posts in the gamethread yesterday. Read Mike Downey's article about all the White Sox sucking. He did a good job listing all the complaints White Sox fans have made. Listen to Paul Konerko get booed by classless, clueless White Sox "fans". I've never seen a team in first place, playing way beyond any reasonable expectations get more s*** from their "fans" than this one. So 7 guys are in the top 64 of GIDP. Why does that warrant an "unf***ingbeleivable"? Its fine to b**** about things, I have done it plenty, at least have something to complain about. Should we complain Quentin added to his GIDP total yesterday?

I wonder if they will put in temporary bleachers like they used to do for Bears games. I do know rooftops will be operating. I would be nervous shelling out money without an official location of the rink. there has to be several rooftops where the view would be obstructed.

Move to Venezuela. If you can avoid the violence, you can drive all day. Gas is $.12 a gallon.

QUOTE (beck72 @ Jul 23, 2008 -> 07:38 PM) I read it somewhere as well. His velocity was down to something like 89.5 mph from 90.1 mph. Here's what Buster Olney had to say: Huston Street, Athletics, RHP: Rival talent evaluators are concerned about his diminished speed, arm angle and ability to cope with left-handed hitters -- lefties are batting .257 against him, but with five homers in 70 at-bats. Oakland wants a decent return for him and, unless the Athletics get it, they'll be inclined to keep him until the winter in the hope of getting better return in the offseason. Sounds like its down a little more than you think.

QUOTE (kyyle23 @ Jul 23, 2008 -> 06:33 PM) just expanding on a thought here: should Uribe and Cabrera get traded and Roberts comes back to the Sox, we can most likely expect Fields to be called up to back up Crede at 3rd, correct? Also, who would end up being the utility infielder/swingman? One of the possibilities is Alex Cora coming back from Boston. Unless KW has the other deals or another deal corresponding to it, he would be idiotic to trade Uribe straight up for Cora. Uribe is the better player, and is loved in the White Sox clubhouse. I wouldn't think it would be Fields myself. I think they would need someone who also could play SS.

QUOTE (G&T @ Jul 23, 2008 -> 07:30 PM) The idea would be that we get a better lead off man. Anyway, I'm not surprised to see this rumor. The fact that Uribe was playing 3rd yesterday, where we haven't seen him play in a while (have we?), should be a clue that they are show casing him. Crede's legitimately hurting. They wouldn't say anything about a back injury if they were making it up. With Ozuna gone, Uribe is the back up there. Juan didn't hurt KW's leverage with his play the last 2 days.

QUOTE (rangercal @ Jul 23, 2008 -> 06:26 PM) Yeah, let's trade our leadoff man. Good idea If they were to acquire Roberts, the #1 hole will be improved significantly.

I think the White Sox should offer an open invitation to Bartman to throw out the first pitch at a game and give him free season tickets.(Several rows from the field) He could be a hero on the southside. Someone to look up to. A role model.

Red Sox looking to acquire Uribe in deal with Chicago July 23, 2008 By Danny Knobler CBSSports.com Senior Writer Tell Danny your opinion! The Red Sox are deep in conversations with the White Sox on a trade that would send infielder Juan Uribe to Boston, according to sources. Uribe is batting just .225 in limited playing time this season, but his three home runs are one more than all Red Sox shortstops have hit. Boston shortstops are 28th in the majors in runs scored and 23rd in RBIs. It's not clear who the White Sox would get in return for Uribe, but one possibility is Alex Cora, the utility infielder who has fallen out of favor in Boston. The White Sox want to rid themselves of Uribe's $4.5 million contract, perhaps in hopes of rekindling talks with Baltimore about second baseman Brian Roberts. If the White Sox could acquire Roberts, or another second baseman, they could shift Alexei Ramirez to shortstop and trade Orlando Cabrera, possibly to the Dodgers. The possibility of trading for Roberts and then dealing Cabrera was first reported by FoxSports.com. Chicago is still looking for a starting pitcher to replace injured Jose Contreras. They could try to deal Cabrera for Derek Lowe, although the Dodgers don't have much depth in their rotation and would be hesitant to part with him.

QUOTE (Flash Tizzle @ Jul 23, 2008 -> 07:00 PM) No one can say definitely as of now sure they'll give it to that druggie. Sure, if he doesn't have a sharp dropoff it's possible, but I hope whoever is in the running for MVP by seasons end (whether it's Quentin or not) statistics and actual value are taken over a feel good story and one's ability to hit baseballs far in an exhibition game. It would be pretty hard to look away if he has 30 or 40 more RBI than anyone else, but if Quentin keeps it up and the Sox win, he'll have a pretty good shot.

QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Jul 23, 2008 -> 03:48 PM) Reports out of San Fran say the Sox are one of the 4 still interested. Hell yea KW should attempt to get this guy, with the way Thorton (who i think will rebound) and Logan (i think he needs to re-do his approach down in triple-a) have been suckin Street will be that final piece to a bullpen that can be one of the best in White Sox history. Jenks, Dotel, Linebrink, Street. WOWZA! I read somewhere where Street's last outing raised a lot of red flags. He blew his 5th save, his velocity was down, and I guess his arm angle was lower than usual suggesting a possible injury.

Obviously, it won't happen, but the whole idea of the 3 way would be for the significant prospects(s) going to Baltimore would be coming from the Dodgers. The White Sox could throw in a lower rated guy or 2. The reason the Sox could do this is because Ramirez is supposedly a better SS than 2B. If you look at range factor, zone rating and fielding pct. Roberts this year has been a better defensive 2b than Ramirez. So, I don't think you lose much, if anything defensively. You have a guy who is a better fit as a leadoff man, a spot where once again fathom pointed out when the leadoff guy struggles, so does the White Sox offense., and he's under control for 2009.If you think the White Sox should just go after Roberts in the offseason, I think trading Cabrera is trading 2 draft picks who you have to sign and develop vs. trading bonus already paid, established minor leaguers who have shown they have an excellent chance at a decent career. I'd give up the picks anytime. You'll also get picks when Roberts leaves, which could be around the time Beckham might be ready.

And the Sox could have had a 2.5 game lead on Minnesota today.