Dick Allen

QUOTE(fathom @ Sep 2, 2006 -> 07:34 PM) No offense to anyone, but can we actually discuss the game and stop with the Ozzie pro/con right now. If we don't improve, there's 28 more games until we can talk about this 24/7. Taking the attention away from what is going on in KC is good, I think.

When was the last time Hawk said Ozzie won't let happen what is actually happening?

QUOTE(Frankensteiner @ Sep 2, 2006 -> 07:28 PM) So Kelly was managing that team for what, one year? You can follow an organization closely but it does not compare to following the team every day, like I'm sure you do with the Sox. My point is that most of the problems we have with Ozzie (stuff about favorites, Mackowiak in CF, sticking with Pods) are things that are evident only from watching the Sox on a daily basis. I'm sure if you ask Twins fans, they'll have a list of peeves with Kelly as well. It's also common knowledge that 2002-present Twins players didn't like Kelly all that much and began winning only after Gardenhire took over. Kelly had a lot to do with the Twins success after he left. They didn't like the fact that he made them take infield and run drills after games they lost and lost because of stupid plays. He taught them how to play the game the right way.

Sandy has the toilet seat hairdoo working.

QUOTE(shoota @ Sep 2, 2006 -> 07:18 PM) I was describing Tom Kelly, a man whose baseball managing abilities are far superior to Ozzie's. And for those who say Ozzie is a manager whose best assest is motivating his players, he's inferior to TK in that aspect too. TK gets his players to do the little things to win games because they know they will be replaced if they don't. There's no greater motivation than staying in the majors. I watched part of that special they have been having about Ozzie on Comcast. It was interesting to me that he never has disciplined his sons. His wife does that. It really makes you wonder if he has the ability to get into his friends faces when its called for.

QUOTE(beautox @ Sep 2, 2006 -> 07:18 PM) Dye having a tough day at the dish. Last time he had a game like this at the plate, he also dropped a ball, got the next day off and then got hot again.

QUOTE(Wealz @ Sep 2, 2006 -> 07:01 PM) Did they have the highest payroll in baseball? Because they won the World Series! What was Ozzie's batting average in the WS?

QUOTE(Wealz @ Sep 2, 2006 -> 06:57 PM) Last year's team was predicted to be middle-of-the-pack. Nonetheless, two seasons managing, 1 World Series title isn't a bad rate of success for Guillen. They had the highest payroll in the division.

QUOTE(shoota @ Sep 2, 2006 -> 06:54 PM) I like the way you think. I've been on the TK bandwagon for some time now. Join us. I saw your signature, thats what made me think of him. I'm a Sweet Lou man myself. I think the Sox need a few cages rattled and he's the guy to do it.

QUOTE(fathom @ Sep 2, 2006 -> 06:52 PM) Can Buehrle hold the Royals scoreless after we give him the lead? He's been notorious giving up runs after getting a couple this season.

QUOTE(Wealz @ Sep 2, 2006 -> 06:50 PM) What's Kelly's winning percentage? Have Ozzie manage a few rebuilding teams and see what his percentage is. He has only managed a team that was supposed to contend.

QUOTE(Wealz @ Sep 2, 2006 -> 06:47 PM) Jerry Manuel never won anything more than a division. Not bad guiding a team to the best record in the AL with the 26th highest payroll in baseball.

QUOTE(Wealz @ Sep 2, 2006 -> 06:47 PM) Jerry Manuel never won anything more than a division. Then Tom Kelly should be the manager of the White Sox. He has 2 WS titles, so he must be twice the manager Ozzie is.

Dye isn't seeing the ball very well tonight.

QUOTE(Wealz @ Sep 2, 2006 -> 06:37 PM) Jerry Manuel never won anything. He won a division, manager of the year and had the best record in the AL in 2000. And he did it with a payroll far from the highest in the division.

QUOTE(G&T @ Sep 2, 2006 -> 06:32 PM) It seems to me that Gload could have starter somewhere for a while. But I doubt he'd ever be the first baseman for a winner. I think Konerko is better defensively although Paulie would never had made the play Gload did the other day. I have a hard time believing Gload would hit .300 if he was a regular.

Well maybe the Sox will think the Detroit series on the 18th, 19th and 20th will be big enough to show up at. I wonder when they will feel the game is important. They don't seem too intense to me.

looks like BP Buerhle is on the mound tonight.

This game may get ugly in a hurry.

Buerhle looks real sharp. Not.

QUOTE(Frankensteiner @ Sep 2, 2006 -> 04:51 PM) I'm confused as to how you arrived at that conclusion? I am happy we have Thome instead of Frank, but in hindsight, keeping Thomas at $3.5 M wouldn't have been such a bad move. For one, we keep Gio Gonzalez with the possibility of using him to acquire another player, have more money to spend elsewhere, and Rowand is still on the team as the starting CF. I'm not a fan of Rowand, but he's been more productive than Anderson this season, and Ozzie's not platooning Mack out there with Rowand still on the roster. Konerko said that Thome was a huge reason he came back. Its not a conclusion, its a fact. There's no telling what Rowand would have done with the White Sox. His numbers aren't that much better than Anderson's playing in a weak league. He may have been great, he may have gotten injured on opening night. Thome is a better player than Frank Thomas at this stage. Plus he's left handed. Dye and Konerko had nowhere near the success with Frank hobbling around than they have had with Thome. Everything people around here complain about Thome lacks Frank lacks more except for strikeouts. Frank cannot hit doubles. He is slower than Konerko. Another thing, Frank Thomas wasn't cleared to play until just before the season started. For a defending champion looking to repeat to wait that long for an answer to what would be a huge piece of the puzzle would have been too big a gamble. I know every game has the possibility of being anyone's last, but in Frank's case the odds are better. He's one misstep or foul ball from being done.

QUOTE(Jordan4life_2006 @ Sep 2, 2006 -> 02:11 PM) And he should feel justified. Kenny, Ozzie, Jerry, a lot of Sox fans (especially from this board), thought/claimed he was done. He's made a lot of people look stupid. That's what great players do. When you doubt them, that's when they rise to the occassion. I can almost guarantee you Frank wouldn't throw it in the Sox's face if they did go all the way. He's not that kinda guy. When was the last time Frank even mentioned the White Sox? His play has done all the talking that needs to be done. How does replacing him with a guy with better numbers across the board make anyone look stupid? I'm glad he's not on the White Sox. KW and crew would be planning for 2007 right now. The other thing that is also glossed over by those drinking Frank Thomas Kool-aid by the gallons is Paul Konerko would be with the Angels right now if Frank was the White Sox DH.

Pinch run for AJ please, you have 3 catchers.

If AJ walks the tying run will be in scoring position.

Hawk talking about the nice comeback. Its a crappy loss.