Dick Allen

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Nov 30, 2005 -> 10:26 AM) We just won the World Series. Im not satisfied going into the season with our two hole hitter never playing a game in AAA. Sorry. The Sox won the WS with a closer who hadn't played above AA until August.

QUOTE(Jordan4life_2005 @ Nov 30, 2005 -> 01:46 PM) Exactly. We're looking to defend a World Championship. If we get a proven guy over a maybe guy, i'm all for it. After last season, Pierre would have to be considered a "maybe" guy himself. The Sox are going to have to work some of their prospects into the line-up somehow, or trade them. A healthy Thome with Konerko back would be an excellent opportunity to work a guy in with limited pressure to hit. I'm all for Anderson or Owens patrolling CF unless they want to really upgrade the postion and put an All Star out there. Paying Pierre $4 million and giving up talent for him while stunting the growth of your own prospects would be a mistake in my opinion.

QUOTE(daa84 @ Nov 30, 2005 -> 02:02 PM) 1994: Thomas .353 38HR 101 RBI Franco: .319 20 HR 98 RBI in stirke shortened year 1998: Thomas .265 29 HR 109 RBI Belle .328 49 HR 152 RBI 2000: Thomas .328 43 HR 143 RBI Ordonez .315 32 HR 126 RBI If you project those 1994 numbers, those 2 are both close to 150 rbi. Frank would be at about 50 homers, Franco probably 28. So productivity-wise Thomas/Franco is #1.

QUOTE(Steff @ Nov 30, 2005 -> 01:44 PM) Thomas/Franco has got to be slightly better As far as production, there is no question.

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Nov 30, 2005 -> 01:32 PM) Yeah, I don't see us making any trades until the trade deadline. Kenny loves having flexbility at the deadline unless someone proposes a deal to us that knocks our Sox off. Do you think last season's trouble trying to find someone to pull the trigger on a deal may change his philosophy a little? Obviously he wanted something more significant and was unable to do so, on the other hand he did win a World's championship. It would be interesting to see if it does have an effect on how he operates this season.

QUOTE(LosMediasBlancas @ Nov 30, 2005 -> 01:23 PM) The Score is asking if Konerko/Thome will be the best back to back (in the line up) Sox players ever. It depends on how they do together. Before they played together and one struggled when the other didn't, Belle and Thomas was pretty impressive.

QUOTE(SoxFan562004 @ Nov 30, 2005 -> 01:12 PM) I think Marte will go and Duque if someone is willing to eat some of that contract, outside of that I think KW is done and he did a GREAT job For Duque to be moved, the Sox would have to pick up most of his contract and not get much back. Considering the influence he has had on Contreras, it probably wouldn't be wise to move him.

QUOTE(Iwritecode @ Nov 30, 2005 -> 01:06 PM) I think there is a chance they still bring Frank back in a platoon role with Thome. Check out their splits. Frank hits better against lefties and Thome hits better against righites. I don't think KW would ship 2 pretty good pitching prospects plus a major league CF and pay the guy he gets $8 million a year to platoon. Frank Thomas---------he gone.

QUOTE(daa84 @ Nov 30, 2005 -> 01:03 PM) i agree with you, but i dont think big frank does If it means he has to play somewhere else, he may change his thought process. The bottom line is there is an excellent chance he physically won't be able to play anymore.

QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Nov 30, 2005 -> 01:02 PM) I would've thought KW would have some loyalty toward Big Frank. Seeing him in another uniform will be disgusting. Maybe Frank can partner up with Farmio in the radio booth

QUOTE(mr_genius @ Nov 30, 2005 -> 12:59 PM) pierre iguchi thome Konerko dye aj crede uribe pods Didn't KW tell Paulie that he was going to get Thome to protect him? If that's the case, doesn't Paulie hit 3rd and Thome 4th?

QUOTE(daa84 @ Nov 30, 2005 -> 12:40 PM) best of luck big frank Exactly. RIP Frank Thomas' White Sox career if not his baseball career.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Nov 30, 2005 -> 12:24 PM) How about an artificial hip? You can get a real good one for $60 million.

QUOTE(aboz56 @ Nov 30, 2005 -> 12:08 PM) Chances of repeating go down big time if we lose PK. We must get him back. Yes they do, unless they have a great back-up plan.

Touring facilities, looking at housing is all basic stuff. Don't read too much into it.

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Nov 30, 2005 -> 10:35 AM) If Paulie gets 13 each yr for 4 years here or 13 each yr for 5 years somewhere else, what's he going to take? Is he going to hang the Sox on the 5th year? He should especially if its the Angels. Anaheim is the perfect place for him, they train 15 miles from his home. That's 6 weeks per year of being able to stay in your primary residence which is huge considering his newborn, and probably plans for more. Anaheim is a lot closer to his home than Chicago. The weather is great. He is quiet and may not crave the spotlight, although that sometimes seems hard to believe. There have been a few posts on Paulie maybe being able to get more endorsement money in Chicago. I really question whether he really is interested in that.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Nov 30, 2005 -> 10:27 AM) Owens is still very raw and I'm still not sure whether he's ready. I would like to give him another year in aaa and then give him a shot to make the team in 07 and I'm pretty positive the sox feel the same way. Dave Wilder, the same guy who said Bobby Jenks was ready last season, thought Owens was ready in August.

Considering Paulie's hip was the main reason Lasorda traded him to Cincinatti, and considering all the talk about Paulie's hip on this board in 2003 especially, his hip condition should be no surprise to anyone here. Considering the White Sox and Paulie when questioned have always denied there was even a small issue with his hip, the fact that this leaked out now from a "high ranking" White Sox official may give some credence to fathom's theory.

QUOTE(Steff @ Nov 30, 2005 -> 06:22 AM) Yes, and it is. :rolly I still think his 2003 struggles were hip- related. Paulie also looks thinner (not just his hair) to me the past couple of years, maybe to take some of weight and pressure off his hip? There was nothing noticeable about Belle's hip when he played for the White Sox, and considering how quickly he went from being basically an ironman playing every inning of every game to not being able to play at all, it would make me very leery of giving Konerko the same contract.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Nov 29, 2005 -> 05:29 PM) Marte didn't get the job done. He gave up baserunners to the tune of a 1.72 WHIP and guys like Politte and Cotts bailed him out. There's a reason Marte's ERA was only 3.77 last season. It isn't wise to get rid of talented players because of a bad season. If that was team policy, Konerko would have hit his 80+ home runs the last couple seasons for someone else. Also Politte would have been let go after his horrible 2004.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Nov 29, 2005 -> 05:25 PM) The walks mean nothing because Marte hadn't pitched in awhile? What? Do you remember what he did in ALDS against the Red Sox? You act like Marte wasn't walking guys all season, and postseason, long. I never said the guy was lights out all season. He was brutal against Boston. He was great even with the walks against Houston and as the poster above stated he was getting squeezed then. This is a guy who is used to a large number of appearances. Most pitchers tend to be a little wild when they don't pitch as much as they are used to.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Nov 29, 2005 -> 05:17 PM) Is Ozzie going to fix his head? Are the Chicago fans going to fix his head? To me it seems its pretty clear Marte cant fix his own head, so who is? Marte has shown in the past and although very inconsistently in 2005, that he can get the job done. He had a sore arm that he had to pitch through, and he didn't do it well. When he had no pain, he was dominant. When there was a little pain he wouldn't finish his pitches. An offseason can fix his head, and hopefully his bicep is completely healed.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Nov 29, 2005 -> 05:18 PM) Marte still walked two batters in those 1.2 innings and had to be relieved for Buehrle to get the save. For a guy who hadn't pitched forever, and had gone through what he had gone through, he was very impressive. Those walks meant nothing, and Buerhle wasn't brought in because of ineffectiveness.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Nov 29, 2005 -> 05:16 PM) I never said I understood that either. I think your wrong to about that many people thinking that. However, with the negitive attitude you seem to bring, it doesnt suprise me that is your thinking.. Negative attitude? I'm the one supporting a White Sox player and White Sox minor leaguers. I don't want Mike Myers. I think he sucks. I see the hundreds upon hundreds of posts about bringing back Thomas. All I have to say is in my opinion Marte is a far safer bet to count on than Frank. And he's cheaper too. I don't understand how that's being negative.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Nov 29, 2005 -> 05:12 PM) Marte pitched well for 2 innings in Game 3 of the World Series. He was awful for the entire regular season and the rest of the postseason. You are letting Marte's 2 most recent good innings slant your perspective. 2 innings in a World Series game when the entire bullpen was spent. If Myers had to pitch 2 innings, the World Series most likely wouldn't have been a sweep. The guy also had a couple of good outings after he was thrown off the team and returned. Sure he was as inconsistent as a pitcher could be, sure he had his problems, but he also showed more than a few times he still can be very dominating when his head is right.