Dick Allen

Do you know how small a difference the White Sox and Cleveland's records really are? If the Sox didn't have that incredible comeback with the homeruns of Wickman early in the season, and if the Tribe just split that 4 game series in Jacobs Field instead of being swept, the Sox would own a .5 game lead at the moment.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Aug 31, 2005 -> 07:23 PM) I am afraid of the collection of crap lineups that Ozzie will envoke with more poor players. Think about the number of times he can rest his starters for next year. Maybe he'll rest some for 2007. Today's line-up was a joke. If they ever have that line-up at a home game, they should offer refunds.

QUOTE(fathom @ Aug 31, 2005 -> 07:17 PM) Yep, just how things looked so promising after our last playoff appearance. Not to mention how the future looked in 1983 after the tough loss to Baltimore. They added Tom Seaver, past his prime, but still was the best pitcher on the staff in 1984 and weren't even .500.

QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Aug 31, 2005 -> 07:01 PM) If we lose this lead the team deserves to be the laughing joke of major league baseball. I believe the far more realistic scenario will be a sweep in the 1st round of the playoffs. This team needs to begin picking up the intensity immediately entering Septermber. You can't expect any club, especially one with an offense as embarrassing as ours, to limp into the playoffs and magically turn up the intensity. The way the season has played out is very similar to 2000 where your scenerio took place.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Aug 31, 2005 -> 06:58 PM) Yes, but that's what I'm saying. We've played like s*** the last 2 weeks but we weren't playing bad before that like some of you guys are trying to make it seem. The problem is this terrible play doesn't seem like its going to go away soon. They beat a Minnesota team twice without 3 of its top players, and beat a team that's 20 under .500 twice, once because a rookie outfielder already sent back down had an unbelievable night, before being awful again with the exception of a second game of a DH, with another rookie paving the way with a masterful pitching performance, while the Sox beat a guy making his major league debut. Considering how they have played at home, and they had not done too well at home before the 7 game losing streak, there are a lot of things to be concerned about.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Aug 31, 2005 -> 06:54 PM) We were 7 games over in that time period before this recent stretch, that ain't exactly bad. No its not. Unfortunately these past few weeks count.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Aug 31, 2005 -> 06:44 PM) No, most teams aren't going to put up many runs with their 1-3 hitters on the bench. As far as your first argument goes it's different. They've slumped big time the last 2 weeks and your using a complete package to show that, the weren't playing amazing ball since the beginning of july but they sure as hell weren't playing bad till this recent stretch. As I said, they have been average for 2 months.

QUOTE(Tadahito15 @ Aug 31, 2005 -> 06:43 PM) This is from WSI so take it for what its worth: Supposedly on the baseball show on XM radio said the White Sox were close to aquiring walker. However, this source had also said we basically had Ibanez and Pedro Feliz so dont get your hopes up. Dont shoot the messenger. The XM radio source might as well be the mlb message boards.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Aug 31, 2005 -> 06:37 PM) That's what happens when you lose 7 in a row. Then you could use the argument that their record was inflated the first 3 months because they won 8 in a row. 2 or 3 times. They are sputtering, can't you see that? Look at the line-up today. Could you really expect a reasonable chance of winning a game against with that line-up?

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Aug 31, 2005 -> 06:34 PM) We've trended downward for 2 weeks, that is all. Since 6/30 the White Sox are .500. Thats being average for a while.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Aug 31, 2005 -> 06:26 PM) I will ask again, and no one really seems to answer. What did the Yanks do to bolster there team? Boston? Oakland? Angles? Minny? Clevland? What did they do to make there rosters so much better at the deadline and wavier wire? What have they done? Don't we have a better record then all of them? Shouldnt they be more concered with getting a piece then we are?? The Yankees got Chacon, and considering how the Sox hit him, he's destined for Cooperstown. Boston got Graffinino, KW came in second. Oakland got Jay Payton, and Joe Kennedy. The Angels didn't do much, but if money wasn't an issue would you trade their roster for the White Sox? Minnesota is out of it, they tried with Boone. Cleveland didn't do much because they were about 15 out at the non-waiver deadline, although if KW doesn't get Walker, they are rumored to be favorites to get him if he is moved.

I don't think the Griffey thing had anything to do with money. I don't think the Reds really wanted to trade him, and I don't think he really wanted to be a White Sox. I don't think you can say he failed until the exam is over. If the White Sox don't make the playoffs, I'd agree with you and say he failed because he bought into chemistry too much and aimed too high at near impossible targets. There have been several players moved this season that could help the White Sox. Who knows, there's still a few more hours to go, maybe KW will have a banner night tonight.

I think Hendry may have KW by the balls here. If Walker is now the only option, and if Cleveland has offered a good deal for him, if KW passes and Hendry trades Walker to Cleveland and the Sox ultimately stand pat, KW is going to take a lot of heat, especially if Walker helps them overtake the Sox.

QUOTE(the People's Champ @ Aug 31, 2005 -> 03:16 PM) Wow, what a difference a half a season makes........................ the beginning of the year the Sox are killing, all you see on this board is posts by members kissing the players asses. Then the second half comes along, the Sox start to skid, and now players are "overrated" , they "suck", and "they are going to blow it". Its no wonder the Sox are losing we have all these fair weather fans posting garbage about the team and sending nothing but bad karma their way. You hit the nail right on the head. Why didn't I think of it? The reason the Sox are losing is because of what's posted on a message board. That's pure genius.

If the Sox did fall apart, I wonder how Hawk would blame it on Manuel.

QUOTE(fathom @ Aug 31, 2005 -> 03:41 PM) More Ozzie than KW if you ask me. However, I'm sure neither of them would be fired. Neither of them would, I agree.

QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ Aug 31, 2005 -> 03:42 PM) We all knew August was going to be tough. It's over. September looks kind of cake to me. Hopefully that instills some confidence back into the pitching and offense for the postseason. Between July and August, they were .500, as average as you can be. They don't have many off days now, and have really played poorly at home. If Ozzie continues to give away games by trotting out lineups like the one he threw out there today, you will be witnessing one of the biggest collapses in MLB history.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Aug 31, 2005 -> 03:25 PM) A move better be made. This team has died over the last month in a half. Our manager keeps trotting these disfunctional lineups. If we blow this lead KW should be fired. And so should Ozzie.

QUOTE(Misplaced_Sox @ Aug 31, 2005 -> 01:34 PM) I think Duqe has one more solid inning... at least thats all I would risk.... pitch count getting up there We need some runs.... wheres the Rally [insert board rally object]? I think a rally rat would be in order.

QUOTE(bighurt4444 @ Aug 31, 2005 -> 01:30 PM) Texas doesn't seem to be having any problems with these bad hops. Maybe they're cheating.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Aug 31, 2005 -> 01:23 PM) Our "regulars" havent done much in this game, but "this lineup" which I assumes means the subs, have manufactured a run, and looked more sound in the field. How is that sadness? Jinx

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Aug 31, 2005 -> 01:16 PM) Everett has been absolutely horrible this year in the 5 hole. 92 ABs, .239 AVG, .725 OPS, 6 HR. Why put guys in places where they tend not to succeed? Just because you think that's where they should hit? The reason AJP has such stellar numbers in the 5 hole is because he only hit there after he caught fire. When he was on his hot streak he was moved to the 5 hole. When he's slumping he's moved down.

QUOTE(Mr. Showtime @ Aug 31, 2005 -> 12:44 PM) It seems like there is 10 people at this game. Lots of empty GREEN seats I thought people liked to sit in green seats, it was the blue they were opposed to.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Aug 31, 2005 -> 12:25 PM) Just a generic comment that this is when you go back home and hope to see a new teamate to help you out, and then he said he wasnt talking about sept callups. Didn't Farmio also say Jake Peavy was available a month ago?

QUOTE(fathom @ Aug 31, 2005 -> 12:01 PM) This is a brutal lineup. Why Willie why? The last thing our offense needs is someone who's even less productive than anyone else we've been putting on the field. The sad thing is I complimented Ozzie on the lineup he used for the 2nd game last night. Then, he goes out and puts up basically the equivalent of a 2nd game of the DH lineup. How come no other team sits out 3 starters on such a weekly basis? Maybe they should let El Duque hit, and DH for Harris.