Dick Allen

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 4, 2018 -> 06:41 PM) A lesser package than what? The Eaton deal? I’m not saying the Marlins would take that, I’m simply stating they might not be offered much more than that in the current market. Given they’re rebuilding, they might just take what the market bares. Who really knows with that organization. They don't have to dump salary anymore. I think with all the heat Jeter took and Manfred took, they aren't trading anyone for anything less than a stellar package for a while.

Sox getting $4 million in total.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jan 4, 2018 -> 06:40 PM) The Dodgers, the team known for having endless resources and scouting and depth, clearly wanted him, which at least tells me they'll give him a shot. Rule 5 is riskier since you're stuck with him taking up a roster spot- and given how much depth they have, it would be hard for them to afford having an unproven guy taking up a spot all year. for the Dodgers, no he wouldn't stick all year. But there are several other teams if he was moderately thought of, could have at least taken a shot.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 4, 2018 -> 06:38 PM) Friedman and Hahn have a pretty good working relationship. Guessing dodgers needed Team to take salary to work out, called one Sox I always thought when they moved in together for spring training, the White Sox and Dodgers would be making more deals. When they shared with the DBacks, they seemed to deal with them a lot. I supposed they see the other organization a lot.

The fact that no team was willing to take Jake Peter in the rule 5 kind of makes you think losing him isn't going to bite you on the ass one day.

QUOTE (Tony @ Jan 4, 2018 -> 06:33 PM) Sox are getting 3 mil as well So they have to pay Soria $7 million with the buyout. and Avilan probably between $1.5-2 million. You can definitely improve the talent levelin your organization if you are willing to take on money.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 4, 2018 -> 06:01 PM) Not that I disagree, but that came at a time when multiple contenders had loaded systems and were willing to move those pieces. I’m not sure the market is positioned quite that well for sellers right now. That is all fine and dandy but what motivation would the Marlins have to trade him for a lesser package?

QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 4, 2018 -> 06:28 PM) Great trade for Dodgers. Alexander will thrive there. Reminds me of a younger Britton. It appears the Sox did pretty well too. Looks pretty much like a salary dump for the Royals and they gave up a pretty good piece to do so.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jan 4, 2018 -> 06:23 PM) This deal seems very low risk depending on how much cash we get back. Two decent looking relief options can’t hurt. For a guy you were willing to let go for $50k, I agree. I wonder if this deal helps KC sign one of their free agents or if it is the beginning of a rebuild. Their vaunted bullpen appears to be in shambles.

I wonder how much cash the White Sox are getting back. Wasn't Peter exposed in the rule 5?

QUOTE (Sockin @ Jan 4, 2018 -> 06:17 PM) Soria is probably a flip candidate for the deadline. He makes pretty good money

Soria to White Sox as well

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 4, 2018 -> 05:59 PM) As noted before - the only salary the White Sox would really care to shed is Shields, and he's not signed in 2019 so there's no real way the White Sox can send any money back to balance this. That means the only money moving in the deal would be Kemp's deal. The White Sox would basically be taking on $40 million or so in order to get talent from the Dodgers. That's comparable to the price the White Sox paid for Robert, give or take the penalties. In other words, for any version of this to make sense for the White Sox...they better be getting absolute gold back. Not a reclamation project like Joc - or at least not "only Joc", you need a very strong package to make this fair for the White Sox. You want guys who, 14 months ago, would be the top prospect in the White Sox system. Chances of a team taking on Kemps entire contract? Zero.

I hope Joc Pederson is involved. That is a reclamation project I could get behind.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 4, 2018 -> 02:32 PM) Phil Rogers arguing for the White Sox and Yelich https://www.mlb.com/news/christian-yelich-w...sox/c-264272478 It all depends. If these prospects for the most part live up to their billing, 2019 is the year. If a couple get hurt or a couple just blow, then getting rid of a few for one guy could easily put you back close to square one. I guess I have an irrational worry about position prospects and the White Sox. It's been so long since anyone really has looked like they had a clue, I don't trust it until they have done it in the major leagues for a while. I'm excited about Moncada and Eloy, but there is always this thought in the back of my mind somehow they won't be able to hit. Far different than the 90s and early 2000s when it seemed everyone they traded for or signed or brought up at least could hit. They might not be able to do anything else, but that was most of the time true.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jan 4, 2018 -> 02:28 PM) If Moustakas signs for $5m per year, then the Castillo comparison becomes fair. Obviously, if the price gets too low, there becomes a point where it definitely makes sense. But we need to remember that even though it feels like we have a s***-ton of payroll space available now, those $10-15m deals can become really problematic with a franchise like ours that isn't willing to push the payroll up to the CBT like other large markets. I couldn't care less about how rich JR is now or in the future, but the reality is he's only going to spend so much, and the story of the White Sox during this recent playoff drought can pretty much be summed up as "blowing payroll on 2 WAR players whose names carry more weight than their actual production." For team that has been 10 million bucks short on filling their holes several times, there's a lot of risk signing an average player two years before you need him. On a per game basis, his WAR the last 3 seasons is on par with Jose Abreu. He's also a year and a half younger. If Abreu signed an extension, not many people would be complaining. I don't know why they would complain about a LH 3b/!b guy with power. I wouldn't give him $20 million a year.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jan 4, 2018 -> 02:10 PM) Soxtalk would be pretty livid if Moustakas was signed. I think Hahn is smart enough to realize what a bad idea that would be. How pissed will Soxtalk be if Machado, Harper, and Donaldson all sign with teams not named the White Sox and the White Sox need some offense? Homers are what wins now. This guy could be a 40 HR guy at GRF. I understand it may be a year too soon, but like trades, a year too soon is usually better than a year too late. If the price is right, I don't see how it's a bad idea, unless they are on 2020 as the target year. Then I could see, no way. Eventually, the White Sox are going to have to add something other than prospects. Wellington Castillo is hardly aligned perfectly for the rebuild. Moustakas would be aligned a bit better than him, and he's an asset that doesn't cost you your better prospects, just basically JR's money. Theo went after FA pitching early. Edwin Jackson didn't work out. He wanted a couple of others he was lucky he didn't get. Prices aren't going to come down next year or the year after. If the deal is right, you make it.

QUOTE (KagakuOtoko @ Jan 4, 2018 -> 12:39 PM) And the dumb tall oaf decides to set shave and win 2-1. Up 5-3 in the first set and loses the tie breaker. Classic Tennis. 6-11-1 YTD +$33.40 Alright EPL action! Tottenham WestHam O 3.5! $100 to win $140. This is a fun thread to follow. If I were you, I'd be in a rubber room in about 2 days. How do you do it?

QUOTE (pablo @ Jan 4, 2018 -> 12:24 PM) I've seen it mentioned that if Moustakas doesn't like the market now, he might sign a 1 year 17-18M deal and try again next offseason. If that's the case, no draft pick would be forfeited right? He won't do that. He will have even more competition next year. He'll take what he can get now.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jan 4, 2018 -> 12:08 PM) The guy who tweeted this is my friend. It's 100% fabricated, he did it to see if anyone would believe him If it's on twitter, there are a lot of people who will believe him.

Here is probably everyone's source: http://www.espn.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/...stars-will-sign I wouldn't necessarily believe anything will happen. I still think for him to be in White Sox price range, the Royals would pounce or some other team.

QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ Jan 4, 2018 -> 11:58 AM) What's the downside? Tying up payroll and losing a draft pick? The horror. The Sox would be a lock to sign Machado. With Moustakas, there is no chance. Whether it is true or not, or he is trying to ride on the coattails of the article on espn.com yesterday is anyone's guess. But there isn't a ton of downside here. Banking on Machado is foolish. There's a better chance the Bulls get Lebron. Donaldson could be great, but he will cost a lot more and be a couple of years older. Moustakas hurt his knee in 2016. It hurt his defense last year, which hurt his overall WAR, but he's a pretty good player with a ton of power and bats LH (Lillian would approve). The market may have made his price come down to the point it makes sense for the White Sox. Of course if you sign him, you have to be ready to compete in 2019.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jan 4, 2018 -> 11:20 AM) Remember when republicans were for states rights? Wasn't that when even another $1 added to the deficit was ruining the future for our kids? The one thing I have learned is Republicans are pretty much against anything that will benefit anyone if it doesn't benefit them. If it benefits them personally, it's all good. As long as their taxes go down, bigger deficits mean nothing. They are all pro life until their mistress is pregnant. It goes on and on.

Personal cellphones being banned in the West Wing, and Trump's lawyers are trying to stop the now infamous book from being distributed. Paranoia.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 4, 2018 -> 10:54 AM) Saw this on twitter when walking and lost it now. I hate Kaplan, but he tweeted out that the Chiefs were in love with Trubisky pre-draft, especially Nagy. And Nagy has kept in touch with Trubs. That could end up being big. Any of these names who don't think Trubisky is a future franchise QB have zero chance of being hired. So put him at the top of the list.