Dick Allen

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Aug 31, 2016 -> 12:34 PM) Sorry, but comparing Puig to Avi is just wrong. Puig has had two elite offensive seasons plus put up a solid one as recently as 2015. Meanwhile, Avi has accomplished nothing at the major league level across multiple seasons (best is a wRC+ of 100) and is a horrible defender & base-running on top of it. Whether taking a chance on Puig's incredible upside would be a smart move is up for debate, but it's nothing like taking that same chance on Avi, who has proven he's a terrible baseball player. Again, I am not saying take another chance on Avi. I am saying Puig is a major clubhouse distraction and Avi with good defensive skills on the field right now. I wouldn't want to pay that type $18 million the next 2 years and give up something to get him. For some reason he has become worse each season. Not only that, but if you put him in RF, you move Eaton off of a spot where he may be the best in the business. I understand the upside potential, but it is way more of a longshot than it appears IMO.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Aug 31, 2016 -> 11:43 AM) Yasiel Puig 2013 fWAR: 4.1 2014 fWAR: 5.4 2015 fWAR: 1.5 2016 fWAR: 0.5 Avisail Garcia 2013 fWAR: -0.5 2014 fWAR: -0.4 2015 fWAR: -1.1 2016 fWAR: -0.2 Come on, just mentioning them in the same sentence is wrong. Sure, he has struggled this year, but he has had 10x the success in the majors than Avi has. And even if he is a big bust, who cares? The Sox have little to lose at this point. Go back and read what I wrote. He and Avi are very similar offensively at this point. Why is that inaccurate? Who cares what a guy did in 2013 in 2017? He's in AAA. He has to be a colossal bozo. Why would he suddenly thrive with the White Sox? And as I pointed out and you ignored, Avi is probably a non tender. If Avi had Puig's defense, what would you say if the Sox gave him a 2 year $12 million extension, 2/3s of what is owed Puig?

QUOTE (raBBit @ Aug 30, 2016 -> 07:44 PM) What's your point? My point is Puig is mostly hype at this point. He has not been getting it done on the field. Maybe he turns it around, but why would anyone think the White Sox would get more out of him than the Dodgers.? Offensively he is now Avi who is most likely a non tender this winter.. Why be on the hook for $18 million more? The Sox need offense. It is easy to see why people would be excited about acquiring him, but the reality is the Dodgers have him in AAA for a reason, and if his career trend continues the Eox front office would be considered fools once again for bringing him in. There is obviously a chance at a hitting a home run here, but there is also a hig bust possibility IMO.

QUOTE (Insp @ Aug 30, 2016 -> 06:46 PM) Then why isn't he a starter? More proof of Ventura's unfitness as manager? Lawrie is better, and younger.

Puig and Avi have Ben pretty similar offensively his season

QUOTE (Dunt @ Aug 30, 2016 -> 02:01 PM) This. He's incredibly young for his age. People keep saying he won't have success at the next level, but he keeps pitching well at each after he adjusts. I dont ever expect him to be some staff ace, but their is tremendous value in Adams if he turns into a 4 or 5 someday. I don't know, his age is 20 and he is 20. Seems a draw.

If he doesn't get hurt, he will be a star.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Aug 30, 2016 -> 08:47 AM) You throw them in the same sentence with EpiPen, Tiger Woods, and Weiner. You claim they need to go on a humanitarian mission to restore their image. Here are a couple of your quotes from the other thread: Wonder how many predatory lending cases/lawsuits they've been involved in...ala Countrywide? Great, the Uber of loan companies. Will fit right in with Sox plans, schemes and off-season themes... LMAO

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Aug 29, 2016 -> 09:48 PM) Yeah, one of three solo homers hit in one of the Robertson crushing blown saves Wasn't that crushing. The Sox won that game.

Shields appears to be done for the night. He tightroped a few things, but struck some guys out and kept the damage to a minimum.

Kahnle is nasty when he is throwing strikes. He just rarely throws strikes.

Sweet. The only problem is No Deception Jones is probably unavailable so the Sox could use a few more runs.

I am guessing Shields was angry with himself. If he was angry at Anderson, he had no chance catching that ball if he was around 2B.

Shileds is falling all over the place when he delivers. This is going to get ugly.

QUOTE (captain54 @ Aug 29, 2016 -> 03:28 PM) The Rays Tropicana lease expires in 2027, and the Indians Progressive lease in 2023 Sox expires in 2029 or 2030. One interesting thing about the new agreement is the Sox foregoing the upgrade clause the last 3 years. The state says it saves $25 million which is great. But why would the Sox agree to this? Is it because they figure on a new park hn and upgrades to structures facing the wrecking ball usually don't occur? I don't think the team will move. I do think they think they are done at the current park when the lease expires. Probably a good time for JR or his heirs to sell at that point.

QUOTE (credezcrew24 @ Aug 29, 2016 -> 02:55 PM) The White Sox wouldn't be able to dump Avi's salary on any team in exchange for nothing. He literally has negative value. He's going to be non-tendered in the offseason. An inclusion of Avi in any trade means the Sox have to add more to the deal. The Sox are going to let Avi play and see if any of the work they did with him pays off. I like that they changed his "launch angle". He needs to hit the ball in the air more. Whether it translates into a guy like Nelson Cruz or Jose Bautista who both sucked so bad at the same age, is probably a longshot. But see what he's got. Non tendered seems to be close to a given at this point unless he looks like a changed guy for more than a week or so. He does have games where if you didn't see the entire season, you would have to figure he was a star. He can hit the ball really hard, and seems to bear down a bit late in games. He actually tied for the league lead in walk off hits last year with Josh Donaldson. But once he gets you really excited, he always seems to show you why you kick yourself for being excited.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Aug 29, 2016 -> 09:50 AM) Unsustainable, really ? I know you don't want to argue but I think some fans don't understand pitch framing which is taking a borderline strike and turning it into a strike. I say this because of comments I always see in game threads when a catcher has to move his glove a long way in a fraction of a second catches it in the strike zone because of the pitcher missing badly on location and then whining about how Navarro is a terrible pitch framer . Those kind of pitches are definitely on the ump. I'd say Navarro was/is not a good pitch framer but in the grand scheme I think it's given a level of importance, by the way its constantly talked about, that is way out of proportion. The amount of strikes called balls with Dioner behind the plate this season was really hard to believe. It's total effect on the performance is probably hard to judge accurately, but there is no doubt the way balls are caught fools umpires each way. Those skilled at it do their pitchers a great service. Those not so good, hurt them. Maybe Navarro was better with the staff in other ways. Maybe he called a game better. Maybe he knew which buttons to push better, but he did cost his guys a lot of strikes. I read another thing on Dioner. He needs one more season for 10 in service time which I guess is a huge milestone for the pension. He picked a bad time to hit at an awful clip. If he doesn't show some sort of bounce back in Toronto, he may be done.

No deception Jones with a nice outing. Lefties teeing off with a .199 average against him during his career.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Aug 27, 2016 -> 05:15 PM) For the record since stats were brought out, Jones has also blown eight saves and been at least partially responsible for five of the 10 losses the Sox have when they took a lead into the 7th inning or later. I think it would be a major mistake for the Sox to think he can close....he's had enough difficult stretches just as the 8th inning guy. If the Sox could get a deeper / better bullpen, I think he'd be fine as a 6th / 7th inning guy...occasionally use him in the 8th inning if you have a big enough lead. Just my opinion. Mark 4 of his blown saves he gave up 0 earned runs. 3 of those 0 runs. One he gave up 1 unearthed. 3 others he gave up 1 run. Hard to expect a 0.00 ERA. Just my opinion

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 27, 2016 -> 02:22 PM) I'll make sure to save this because Nate Jones won't last one full season as a closer with the White Sox. OK. You should realize though that I never said make Jones the closer, although I do think he would be fine there. 5th in all of baseball with 25 holds. Oops more facts.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 27, 2016 -> 02:13 PM) Statistically, Jones Burdi and Jennings are the three best relievers (assuming Robertson's gone). I'm sure SoxTalkers are champing at the bit for Nate Jones to be made closer. How many blown saves does he have? You seem to have left that somewhat important piece out. Well, it probably doesn't matter much because the White Sox have won almost all of his blown saves. Oops, that's Robertson. They've really been terrible in all the games Jones and Albers have blown. Might want to rethink that position. Next thing you'll be arguing that Jennings is the best left handed reliever in baseball despite all evidence to the contrary. Blown saves and save percentage for a set up guy is probably the most ridiculous stat to ever look at and come to a conclusion. The fact is Jones does not get lit up a lot like you claimed. He apparently is pretty deceptive since major league hitters strike out a lot vs. his offerings, and they don't square much up. Wrong again Caulfield. Try another sport. You don't understand anything about this one. And if anything, you are getting more ridiculous by the day.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Aug 27, 2016 -> 12:59 PM) To take the bet, any bet pro-Cubs, means I would have to root for the Cubs to win. Something I've never done in my life. Just because I respect/envy the juggernaut they've built doesn't mean I'm sitting in front of the tv screaming whenever Bryant ropes one out of the park. You have no problem praising them here or any other non Chicago team. Why not put your money where your mouth is?

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Aug 27, 2016 -> 10:46 AM) I am not so sure that a relief pitcher shouldn't be taken as a 1st round pick anymore, just because of what some GM's are giving up for them. It's insane what the elite relievers command in trade value. Trade a couple high end relievers like the Yanks did and wham you can rebuild your farm. All for guys who play maybe less than 5 % of the total innings played ? The Yankees are very smart for trading Chapman and Miller. I agree. You need to draft guys that ultimately help you win as a player or trade bait. Bullpens just get more important as the years go by. If Burid becomes a really good relief pitcher, it's a lot better than many of the players the Sox have selected even higher the last 25 years.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 27, 2016 -> 10:54 AM) They are working the new crop into shape after the injuries. It is still a work in progress though. Sale going 120 pitches really isn't that big of a deal every once in a while. He also had an extra day rest coming in. Before the game Robin said that usually translates into really good stuff, and an ability to go a little longer..

10 k/9 innings 0.94 WHIP, 42 hits allowed in 58 2/3 innings. Yeah, Nate Jones gets lit up a lot, and it is all due to that hitch in his motion, he just isn't deceptive enough. .197/.251/.319 splits against Nate Jones. Yes a .570 OPS. One pitcher in the AL has face as many hitters as Jones and has a lower BAA. One. He sucks. LOL To save time, I will post Caulfields response OK, fine. Make him the closer. He will probably go 60 for 60 in save opportunities because he is so great. Robin Ventura, Gordon Beckham, Ubaldo Jimenez...