Dick Allen

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 25, 2016 -> 07:16 AM) Eh, you can rationalize this all you want, but you are still missing the essential truth at the base of it all. If the fanbase invests in the franchise, the franchise is better for it. If they don't, they are worse off. The results of the fan base are right in front of you. Exactly. If fans really want to be like the Cubs, it means drawing 3 million when the team sucks and is going to suck. Besides, this naming rights thing is more for the state than the team. The White Sox cut goes to pay down the renovations. The state gets the rest. For all those so opposed to JR's sweetheart deal, they should be happy a company wants to help the taxpayers of IL out a bit.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Aug 25, 2016 -> 07:10 AM) While I will fully acknowledge that I'm overreacting to this news, let's not pretend this name change is meaningless. Brands do matter and this joke of a name and logo doesn't help ours. And while many of us will get over this eventually, the name will continue to be the butt of jokes for years to come. Hell, two local sporting entertainment rivals have already mocked us over this, that should tell you something. Why does the name matter? How many people will decide not to go to the park because it's named Guaranteed Rate Field? Yeah, it's a stupid name, but so is US Cellular Field or the "Cell", especially considering you can't even get US Cellular in Chicago. Besides, is this the White Sox call or the actual people who own the stadiums call?

People laughing about the name of the park in which you had no role naming? Oh my God. How are you guys going to cope? Get counseling.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 24, 2016 -> 08:03 PM) The class action complaint alleges that the mortgage lender unlawfully paid loan officers below minimum wage, failed to compensate them for overtime hours worked and unjustly deducted expenses from previously earned wages, in violation of state wage and hour laws. The complaint asserts that Guaranteed Rate incorrectly and intentionally classified loan officers as “outside salespeople,” making them exempt from some minimum wage and overtime regulations. However, these outside sales employees claim to have spent more than 50 percent of their working time in their homes, which the employees argue is considered the employer’s places of business for purposes of the outside sales exemption from minimum and overtime wage laws. https://www.bigclassaction.com/lawsuit/guar...lass-action.php Great, the Uber of loan companies. Will fit right in with Sox plans, schemes and off-season themes... Just stop.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Aug 24, 2016 -> 07:13 PM) Embarrassing FOR THEM. r*pe was one of the words used as well as empty stadium, etc. Just no class. At least I'm working the "guaranteed to never win" angle for them. No reason to be embarrassed for them. Besides, they don't care one iota about the Sox. It is the Sox fans that obsess about the Cubs. Just ask one.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Aug 24, 2016 -> 07:03 PM) Cubs fans are having a field day with this name at work currently. It's embarrassing. You must embarrass easily.. Once they go corporate, Who care sabout a park name? Why weren't you embarrassed by a nickname that made it seem like a prison?

The guy on CSN just said it is an $88 million deal considering the USCellulae deal was 7 years longer and $20 million less, this a better deal for taxpayers.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 24, 2016 -> 06:30 PM) Were the Sox EVER going to give up the draft pick for him? The answer to that was obviously no. Ergo, the only possibly way they would have signed him would be the same way in which Morales signed with the Twins and Drew with the Yankees two years ago. Not rocket science. And obviously the Rangers are a much better run organization than the Sox, because they already have enough power arms in their pen and minors the draft pick is more or less immaterial. You posted the June stuff in the Sox talking to Desmomd. They were certainly considering it. Nice spin too bad that is what it is. Besides, you wanting to trade Quintana for Puig would have left no room in the OF. Also your interest in Hector Olivera doesn't seem so bright now either. Besides you posted it in the same thread you said pay Latos $10 million and Parra $8 million. 2 things the Sox wouldn't do either. When they signed Latos for much cheaper you complained saying not enough teams were interested. I wonder why you didn't say that about Desmond. And you went through all the palmtops with Parra and Avi, never even mentioning Desmomd. One thing is for sure. If the Sox signed Desmond, gave up the pick and he failed, you would be mentioning how stupid the move was considering he had been trending down 3 straight years, and spinning your idea of June as being smart because they would at least have the draft pick. And the draft pick also shows how full of s*** you are. You blast them for not making Burdi a starter, but in another thread point out how Frankie Montas would have been a big help to the bullpen this year if they only hadn't stupidly traded him. Not only ignoring he has been hurt all year, but making HIM a reliever. Something you said was stupid to do with Burdi.LMAO.

ISFA guy says the State will get up to $6.4 million from this agreement. Considering the U.S.Cellular was a $68 million 20 year agreement, it is a better deal. The White Sox will still get paid the amount from the U.S.Cellular contract until 2026 to pay down the cost of the renovation. The ISFA gets the rest. So $3 million a year until 2026 then $6.4 million after that. So it is almost double.

As a resident of the state off Illinois, I don't care about the name, U.S. Cellular sounded like a 5k park in Peoria, just get whoever is paying the most money. I doubt the Sox share in this anyway. The ballpark might get some more amenities.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Aug 24, 2016 -> 12:14 PM) If Abreu rakes through the end of the season, I wouldn't mind trading him in the offseason for a boatload of young studs. Abreu won't age well with his body structure, IMO. He appears a lot smaller than when he first hit the scene. He isn't bigger than Frank Thomas or Jim Thome and they aged OK. At the very least, maybe it will encourage the Sox to take away his glove.

With as many 1 run games the Sox have been involved with, one bat, whether it was Abreu being Abreu, Desmond, Cespedes, who knows, maybe even LaRoche...could have made a huge difference. But, they didn't have it. Going half assed , eyeing getting better at the deadline, burned them again. Of course, they could have spent money on Upton or Gordon, and KW would be getting cussed out for that right now. It appears it was damned if you do, damned if you don't this year.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Aug 24, 2016 -> 11:38 AM) According to the Sun-Times today Robin said Jose has been dealing with a hamstring issue. The story didn't quote Robin as saying how long that has been an issue but Jose has appeared to be having trouble running most of the season. Mark On Sunday you could really see it when Morneau doubled. It didn't stop the mouth breathers around me screaming at him for jaking it. You could tell he was limping. Hit homers, it's easier on your legs.

Whether is was an adjustment, being able to see his son, whatever, it is nice to know Abreu can still hit really well.

QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Aug 24, 2016 -> 09:31 AM) Which draft pick would have Desmond cost us? Burdi.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Aug 24, 2016 -> 07:44 AM) Lol that's the best part of it. Him wanting the Sox to wait until after the draft and then acting like he wanted the Sox to sign him from the beginning. That's just it. There were plenty that wanted Desmond. In fact in the Desmond thread, Steve pointed out how many wanted Desmond. Caulfield acts like he was the only one. He was the only one who kept mentioning June. I'll give him that.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 24, 2016 -> 07:16 AM) So it's somehow my fault the White Sox spent four times as much on James Shields...and missed out on getting back another compensation pick in 2017? They're not going to get anything back for Shields...hopefully you're taking that into consideration. If you go through that thread, I probably spent 1-2% of it on Parra and Latos and 98% of the time talking about Desmond. The way I wanted him was the only conceivable way the White Sox were going to get him...remember back then? They were only willing to give up to three years on Alex Gordon (which you wholeheartedly endorsed while I was tepid at best on that move, despite my appreciation for what he has previously accomplished), Cespedes and Upton, who wasn't even interested in the Sox. We can't be 100% sure or not whether they were willing to surrender the pick for Fowler, which would have been another positive move. If you add my $10 million for Latos, $8 million for Parra and the money the Rangers paid Desmond (minus another $2 million saved on their bonus pool), that would be $24 million for those three vs. $27 million for the James Shields commitment...and they would have even gotten a draft pick back for Desmond in 2017. Where does Carlos Rodon rank in WAR? Where does Mr. Duffy? Do you want to explain all your quotes throughout the years ripping him when they couldn't have been more off base had you thrown darts against a wall in order to determine which players to sign. Actually, the White Sox would be better off just making one of those prize barrels from The Bozo Show and just picking three to five random free agent names every year and allocating whatever was the agreed upon money....like putting the same amount of money into a mutual fund the 15th of the month regardless of market conditions. Whatever. It's just a good thing they don't listen to you. The funny thing is, you make it sound like you were the only person who wanted Desmond here, which is false. When I get time tonight, I will dig up MY post of signing him to replace Alexei a month or 2 before your June idea. It will be funny to see if you agreed with me. I tend to doubt it.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 24, 2016 -> 04:40 AM) So I was off by $2 million on Desmond. Wow. I overvalued him slightly, whereas there there less than five in that thread who wanted ANYTHING to do with him at all. Did Latos' agent send me his medical records that you know of? Pretty hard to know exactly what you're getting without opening the hood and seeing exactly what's left of the engine in order to make a legitimate bid. Parra signed three years for $27.5 million and an additional option for 2019, so I was close on that one as well. So basically it's my fault when I was predicting what the White Sox would do...which was not offer Desmond because they weren't willing to give up that precious draft pick that you keep saying has a negligible value in terms of career WAR from the #26 spot. You don't say anything about my assessment of him as an outfielder or all of the many pluses I mentioned consistently throughout. You're so consumed proving I was wrong on a technicality because he didn't make it to Jone, which actually proves my point is that he was a bargain that interested a number of well-run teams who can properly define "plus or added value." And Matt Latos alone was still able to contribute a lot more meaningful wins to the Sox than someone who costs more than Parra/Austin Jackson, Latos and Ian Desmond combined in James Shields...brilliant. No. It shows the way you wanted him wasn't availalable. When you were constantly told he won't make it to June you stayed the course. $10 million for Latos, $8 million for Parra and his -1.3 WAR. Of course you keep popping off about Finnegan and his -0.2 WAR, so you have a thing for below replacement players. At least Latos put up a 0.0 for the $10 million you would have given him. And no Shields didn't cost more than those guys combined. You are lying again Donald.

Turner is throwing 98 with movement. I am telling you, watch out for him as a reliever.

Dodgers put their 27th player on the DL this season tying the all time record.

So 9 innings 17 k's. That is pretty good.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 23, 2016 -> 08:05 PM) Anderson is so fast once he gets going Yes. Sometimes it seems to take him a while to get going. He tends to watch the ball a bit too much. He has only grounded into 1 less DP his MLB career than Kris Bryant. Bryant must not hit ground balls.

What is going on with Steve Stones ear?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 23, 2016 -> 06:19 PM) I would still take any of those moves over James Shields. Because the payroll impact wouldn't be carrying over into next season. And obviously we're the anti-Kings of Chicago now with people paid millions of dollars to get these things right. Even when they're consistently wrong, they still get to keep their jobs, mystifyingly. And almost nobody bought that Ian Desmond would have any value as an outfielder coming into this season (bring up the thread where I have literally 100 posts saying we should pursue him, before this season)...I was wrong that the White Sox would still be able to sign him in June, but that's because you have a good GM and manager in Texas who actually know what they're doing and how to assess talent. They also don't have to get caught up in preserving supplemental draft picks when they have an already established minor league talent pipeline. Hahn was too afraid Desmond wouldn't work out and there would be nothing left to show for the Shark deal. Glad you don't work for the Sox...because you said over and over again how terrible Danny Duffy is but that we should sign Alex Gordon. Lovely. I will give you credit for one thing. You finally manned up and admitted Semien has been decent instead of continuing to recite his error totals the first half of last season. http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=97876 Just read the first post in this thread you started, without hindsight of course. And read the entire thread. It has your offer of $10 million for Latos, $8 million for Parra and $10 million for Desmond in June. You were told several times Desmomd wouldn't be around in June, but you stuck with it. You say Hahn was scared, looks like you were too.

QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Aug 23, 2016 -> 06:13 PM) I didn't hate the Frazier move at the time. I thought it was smart to sell high on Thompson with how much his minor league stats deviated from the small major league sample. They just picked the wrong player to trade for. They used to be better at getting good veterans in trades but lately there have been way more misses than hits. There is something salvageable with Frazier. I wouldn't trade him for a low return. Playing for a contract a year in to the AL and a new city, he should bounce back some next year, and his power is still huge.