Dick Allen

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Aug 2, 2016 -> 02:05 PM) The Sox are a sub-.500 team, have been for 6 out of the last 9 years and have zero seasons at or above 90 wins in that period. On average, they're a 78 win team since 2007. When the Pirates rebuilt, they went 20 consecutive seasons without winning 80 games. Sure, the Sox can trade all of their good players for prospects, but how does that guarantee the team is better, let alone "fixed" ready to be in the playoffs 4 or 5 years in a row? Until we know what exactly was offered for White Sox players, I am a guy who can't say they made a mistake not trading them. There was a poster yesterday who said the return on any of these players had nothing to do with it. I think it has everything to do with it. They can still be traded, or maybe they won't. Until then, we have to watch Q and Sale pitch instead of a guy like Volstad. We have to watch Melky hit instead of a guy like Coats. We have to watch Robertson and less of lesser pitchers. I really don't have a problem with it. I will judge the team next year next year, not now. If they half ass it again, I'm with you, but I think they have learned their lesson. They are either going big or dealing guys away. I also wouldn't be surprised if a player or 2 is dealt this month. Maybe that will ease some pain. The Sox could get another Leury Garcia or 2 and the rebuild will be well underway.

QUOTE (shakes @ Aug 2, 2016 -> 12:52 PM) While you are busy telling fans how wrong they are, you can sit here with a straight face and tell me you believe the last sentence you wrote? Yes I do. Besides, the White Sox aren't as bad as most want to make them. They are right around .500. You would think reading most posts, they are a 120 loss team. And everyone they could have traded yesterday to make people happy, they can trade after the season. I was disappointed they didn't make any moves, but I want them to get better and win. The amount of fans pissed off they think the Sox will try to win next year is crazy. These same people, if the Sox traded everyone away and had guys like Shuck and Coats playing everyday, would still be complaining. It's what they love to do. Just look at their posts. Even when the Sox win they aren't happy.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Aug 2, 2016 -> 12:50 PM) Just heard from a second source who was told the same thing, JR does not want a rebuild and unless that changes it simply won't happen. Mark So do you think there is any reason to watch/listen/care about the White Sox as long as JR is around?

QUOTE (Footlongcomiskeydog @ Aug 2, 2016 -> 12:35 PM) The Sox aren't going to start the rebuild this winter. The lack of activity yesterday is proof of this. Next year is year 3 of the infamous 3 year plan. The Sox should be able to pull a Yankees and load up the farm next trade deadline. You are right. Proof positive. Could you imagine what Atlanta could have received for Shelby Miller if they would have just traded him last deadline as opposed to the winter? These guys are so stupid, they should listen to message boards. Who cares what the offers are, if they are going to give you pennies on the dollar, take the pennies because message board posters love prospects until they suck for a week, then they are despicable. Just remember listening to fans regarding personnel will lead you to bad things. Someone bumped a Bonafacio thread from last year a couple of months ago, and there was a post by someone that no one should complain about Hahn as he did what Soxtalk wanted him to do. Well, that didn't work out, and not only did it become not what Soxtalk. it wasn't even Hahn. It was all Kenny Williams. Basically, most of the people complaining wanted a trade just to make a trade. What good does it do to trade Melky or Robertson for another Avi Garcia (who many were extremely high on btw) . See what's out there this winter. I think either they trade a couple of these guys away, or JR is going to jack up the payroll. I think the half assed approach is over. At least I hope so.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 10:14 PM) Southside: I simply was curious how others felt. That's all pure and simple. As others have posted in the past there's no need to offer snarky reply's to honest questions. That's simply common courtesy. We're not in grade school anymore playing a game of who can cut somebody up better right? There was no ulterior motive on my part. Period. Is that so hard to understand? And if anyone assumes there was I'll get pissed off. I know what my intentions were... nobody else. Mark Considering you put down only 2 possible reasons to watch, you are obviously trying to backpedal. Frankly, I think you like to complain about the White Sox or any of their personnel rather than cheer them.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 07:19 PM) Thought this deserved its own thread for discussion purposes. Why watch / listen / care the final two months especially since an influx of young talent isn't coming in and these guys are out of the pennant race? I'm curious to read what others think. I can think of only two possible reasons: 1. Chris Sale - Can he win 20 games, can he win the Cy Young. A month ago I would have said both are slam dunk's...now? I don't know. 2. Can the Sox finish with a winning season for the first time since 2013? Three under right now and another tough stretch of games coming up. I don't think they can. In fact they may win fewer games then in 2015 when all is said and done. I think they'll finish six to eight under. Fourth straight losing year and seventh in the last 10. So...why watch / listen / care? Mark If you have to question it, then don't watch, don't listen and don't care. Do yourself a favor,

Dissappointed in the development, but all their pieces can be traded later. If Sale and Q are out there in the offseason, chances are the are the #1 and #2 guys available. I have no idea what they could have brought back for Robertson, Melky, Frazier, etc. but apparently those guys are as bad as gamethreads say they are, so you can't expect anything interesting.

In years past when they did nothing we heard they were going to do nothing a half hour before the deadline. I am sure they are still working right now.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 02:02 PM) How many team have overturned their roster in 3 years and still got nothing to show for it? I can think of several.

How many teams in major league history turned over their roster at the trade deadline?

QUOTE (bmags @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 01:55 PM) So you can remember random caulfield posts from 4 years ago but you can't remember who you were arguing with 5 minutes ago? \ Flash Tizzle. But it is a cleaver way of not answering a question.

QUOTE (bmags @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 01:46 PM) Them setting a price and sticking to it is exactly why we have JB Shuck as our starting CFer. Their prices are terrible. They are both incredibly conscious of how a longterm expensive deal can hamstring a team and completely ignorant of how their routine raiding and horrible player development hamstrings them longterm. If Sale must be traded for one price that doesn't exist, then, you can finish that. I have complete confidence a better GM could have created a more interesting package for Sale by starting a bidding war at a lower price than by saying "give me your major league offense!" to a bunch of playoff teams. Boston, LA, Texas. The other guy refused to answer, what is the bare minimum from each you would think the Sox should take?

QUOTE (TRU @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 01:42 PM) Again, I don't understand why you are focusing this on Chris Sale. I never even mentioned him in my original post. Maybe because you are complaining in the Sale thread.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 01:39 PM) I have ten years of running an awful organization to criticize them for. You also don't know what has been offered so to defend them is ridiculous. Players/teams/organizations can earn the benefit of the doubt but all this organization does is constantly make the wrong move. Until they do something different, anything different, my first reaction is going to be to criticize because that's what they've earned. I don't know what the offers are either, but they set a price and are sticking with it. I think that is good strategy. If Sale must be traded, he can still be traded after the season.

QUOTE (TRU @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 01:37 PM) Because this is my favorite team and I have to watch them every year? You don't have to watch them at all. If they make you so miserable there are lots of other things to spend your time with. People take this stuff way too seriously. There is a thread on the main page that should put any of this into perspective. There is a lot worse than can happen to you than having to watch Chris Sale pitch for the White Sox the next 2 months.

QUOTE (TRU @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 01:35 PM) Ok, well you don't know what offers have been made either.. that argument can work both ways. Doesn't change the fact that I still have zero faith in this front office making the right move. If in your mind whatever they do will be wrong, why are you so interested?

QUOTE (TRU @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 01:31 PM) What does that have to do with it? My post wasn't a move Sale/Q for whatever you can get post. There are plenty of moves that could have been made outside of our starting pitching. Its time to s*** or get off the pot, what does this organization aspire to be? Mediocre is not an acceptable answer, he flat out said this is a mediocre team. If you acknowledge your team is mediocre, and you do nothing about it, what does that tell you as a fan? It has everything to do with it.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 01:28 PM) Please provide details on why they deserve the benefit of the doubt. You don't know the offers, so to criticize them for not taking them is ridiculous. I have read many times on this board if Boston doesn't over their 4 top prospects, then no Chris Sale for them. Now the only reports out there say they will not offer their top prospect and the White Sox are losers for not settling. You could see this coming for weeks. Unless the White Sox were able to acquire the unreasonable packages proposed on here, it was going to be a b**** fest whether they traded him for less, which apparently you think is a good idea, or not trade him at all, which is supposedly bad. That said, there is still 90 minutes to go. Something will more than likely happen.

QUOTE (TRU @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 01:25 PM) Unless something drastic happens, Hahn has come out and said this team is "mired in mediocrity" and yet, does not do anything about it.. As a fan, not a good look at all. Zero faith in this organization to make the right move. Please provide details of the deals they have turned down.

Pederson is a LH Todd Frazier at the plate, only he hits fewer homers.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 01:14 PM) If we're not going to compete, it's a risk I'm willing to take, or support, rather. Plus, at least he'd make this team more entertaining. That's a good point too. If they are going to rebuild, they have to have someone around to keep it interesting.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 01:14 PM) He was just live on espn b****ing about Mike Sirotka, haha. So he did have a grudge against KW.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 01:09 PM) There was a time not too long ago when the prospect of acquiring Puig was definitely intriguing. But given his continuing struggles offensively in the National League, not so sure I'm keen on acquiring him and putting him in an American League lineup that is already next to last in the league in offense. He has a ton of talent, but you do have a point. There is nothing to suggest he would break his malaise coming to the White Sox.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 01:07 PM) He did say to expect huge things this deadline, unlike years past... but idk about that now I remember watching ESPN BBTN in 2004 at the deadline. There was a flurry of activity right at the closing bell. Sox got Contreras, Sawks traded Nomah...

QUOTE (Flash Tizzle @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 01:08 PM) That's the key, selling at the right time where Sale and or Q are still effective pitchers. Not to say they won't be 17' or 18' offseason, but let's say the worst occurs with injury or ineffectiveness -- we're in a terrible position. Our future in large part depends more on the success of either pitcher's return value than how well they pitch for us. We're going nowhere with two AL, Top 5 Cy Younf candidates. That's depressing as hell. How can Hahn possibly feel anything but shame wasting that talent? So what is the bare minimum you would take for each today?