Dick Allen

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Dec 4, 2015 -> 01:00 PM) I can't imagine Hahn committing substantial resources to starting pitching this year. That is why a guy like Nova sort of makes sense. If they trade starting pitching, they will need more.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Dec 4, 2015 -> 12:54 PM) Wrong again, Dick. I said it was a bad trade on paper - and it was. You look at things retrospectively. Constantly. Always. Further, in this case, the Sox would be trading FOR the prospect and not trading of the prospect. Surely you can see the difference. Now, please tell me the top TEN Major league prospect plus starting catcher that the Cubs will trade for our #3 starter (we don't really have one of those - but if we did). You're 0/2 in your attempts at "gotcha" today, Dick. Keep trolling me and try for a 3rd. So if trading the prospect is bad on paper, trading FOR the prospect would be good on paper. Selling high on Jeremy Reed wasn't a mistake. You eventually will figure that out.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 4, 2015 -> 12:45 PM) I was probably Dunn's biggest fan on this board. He underachieved though as a whole. He might have underachieved, but HR wise he was fine. Even with his ridiculously bad 2011, Dunn homered once every 20.63 plate appearances as a White Sox. Alvarez has homered once ever 21.25 plate appearances his career. Avarez does have a .018 higher OPS than Dunn had as a White Sox. I don't see the allure. If you don't like Adam Dunn, there is no reason to like Pedro Alvarez.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Dec 4, 2015 -> 12:46 PM) But what would you have to give up to get him. The issue of trading for him when Sox have more holes to upgrade before starting pitching makes no sense It would indicate to me a starting pitcher or 2 is being sent to another team.

Screw Eithier and the like, if the Sox go after Nova, put a little more in the pot and get Brett Gardner. He was awful the second half last season but he was hurt. He's an older Eaton with a huge bald spot.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 4, 2015 -> 12:27 PM) Lol he's such a homer. He is. He is actually a good guy. I know many of us cannot stand him, but if you met him, you would really like him. His problem is he can't hide is Cubs bias. .

What are the odds Kaplan asks Hahn what is the one move the Cubs can make to get them over the top?

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Dec 4, 2015 -> 12:14 PM) Cubs have no ml ready prospects. Baez is high risk. There is no match in a trade with the Cubs. The cubbie media just wants Cubs to get Sox pitchers for their excess junk. Now that's funny. The guy who even in hindsight said trading Jeremy Reed was a mistake thinks a 22 year old who hit .320 with power in AAA and can play SS and was a top 5 prospect as a 21 year old is not mlb ready and high risk. Do not acquire. Your entire narrative has been destroyed.

If DRose played Kobe one on one, first guy to score wins, how long would the game take?

QUOTE (Dunt @ Dec 4, 2015 -> 07:55 AM) If the centerpiece of a Q trade is Baez, I will probably stop being a Sox fan Jesse Rogers was on Kaplan's show yesterday. He is a total Cubs boy. He called the Samardjiza/Russell trade the greatest in Cubs history. Said Russell is the second coming of Barry Larkin, and he is convinced the Shark will be back with the Cubs.

I think Hahn's first priority is Eaton, Quentin types. Guys who have had an issue or two but are young and could be had at a reasonable cost but have really nice upside. I don't play fantasy baseball anymore so I don't really have a list of names that might work. Lawrie is obviously a more experienced version, but he seems to fit. Catching is probably impossible to do that, hence one year make good contracts with a couple of guys.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Dec 4, 2015 -> 08:23 AM) And with 2 straight seasons of a dismal.300 OBP, there are concerns about Lawries offense. Which is about the same as Marcus Semien. I think you wouldn't mind if the Sox still had him.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Dec 4, 2015 -> 08:28 AM) And let it be know that Danks had a higher War than James Shields and without the help of the fly ball park. Hero worshipper. Danks is what he is at this point, and is a bit more useful than the worthless he is tagged to be, but I doubt anyone is looking to pick him up unless the White Sox are willing to do them a big favor.

Avi, LaRoche, Danks. Man, all 3 of these guys have been mentioned in proposed trades that bring back useful parts. You guys are smoking some nice bud.

Navarro will have to be facing some righties or Avila will play 80% of the time.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 3, 2015 -> 06:21 PM) You always bash our ideas, yet don't provide your own ideas of what the Sox should do. He is looking for guys who make minimum, so he can afford David Price. It is weird, in his world, the Brewers should never have traded Lawrie yet teams should not trade for him either.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 3, 2015 -> 06:14 PM) I literally just proposed this on the last page lol. The problem with that proposal is the Rockies GM needs to be drunk and on PCP to,say yes.

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Dec 3, 2015 -> 02:07 PM) So what is the plan for Turner? I'm assuming this is a Major League deal and he is out of options. Is he going to stick in the bullpen or did the Sox work it into his contract that he would accept a demotion at the end of spring training? These contracts are set up where if he blows in spring training they can release him for a fraction of the contract.

QUOTE (shipps @ Dec 3, 2015 -> 03:20 PM) Chris Snopek. Greg Norton. He's looking for something to do. The guy who Rowand replaced took Norton's job.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Dec 3, 2015 -> 12:53 PM) But when Rose gets "back" he'll be "scary!" (what he actually said). It's been how many games now? And he's still not good. He is pretty scary. What I don't understand is he said he was going to stop shooting until he supposedly could see. He's still chucking them up there.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 3, 2015 -> 02:27 PM) I'll stop, lest I become a pest in this thread. Just remember, Greg was against the move. File it under "he didn't like it." It's Flowers and Soto. Just keep that in mind. They were fine as a tandem, but still extremely mediocre.

A couple of veterans who have had success and played for good teams on one year cheap contracts. Unless you have Posey or Martin or McCann or maybe Cervelli, it's a pretty good idea to maximize an industry wide weak position, and not have the money spent hurt you elsewhere.

QUOTE (spiderman @ Dec 3, 2015 -> 09:17 AM) How does Alvarez grade out defensively at 3B? Take Conor Gillaspie and go 2 or 3 levels below.

QUOTE (shysocks @ Dec 3, 2015 -> 09:02 AM) Lots of good points being made in here: Looking forward to seeing how a strict platoon will go. It seems weird that the very first thing the Sox did was jettison their decent catching tandem for a different decent catching tandem, but ultimately it's whatever. I would say a couple things regarding catcher defense. One, a catcher's caught stealing numbers have just as much to do with who's on the mound as with the catcher himself. Only the best throwers can overcome slow deliveries to limit the running game. I rarely look at catcher CS numbers because I feel like there's too much else going on. Two, to the guys saying "lol pitch framing who cares," read up on it, if only because there's a lot of entertaining stuff. It is absolutely a skill and some guys are better at it than others. I'm not sure it's worth >1 WAR because the umpire and the pitcher also play a role, but read some articles about it, particularly with .gifs. Look up Jeff Sullivan's worst called strikes and balls pieces on Fangraphs. The way a catcher fields pitches absolutely affects what an umpire sees. The MLB-wide OPS is 92 points lower after an 0-1 count than a 1-0 count. The difference between 2-1 and 1-2 is 350 points. Catchers can get extra strikes. And grabbing extra strikes where you can is important. Wasn't the worst strike called a ball in 2015 Samardzija pitching and Flowers catching? It was something like 2 inches from dead center but Flowers was really awkward trying to catch it as he was set up on the corner. It looked so much like a ball, even Hawk didn't complain.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 3, 2015 -> 07:00 AM) Well, I know how much we like young, poor-hitting 3B... see Olt, Davidson, Gillaspie, etc. Olt, Davidson and Middlebrooks were all the coveted "top prospects" many seem to really like. When you don't get on base much without getting a hit and strike out a ton, it leads to becoming a bust. Olt looked decent in stretches. I don't think the Sox are counting on him, but see what he is in Spring Training. He did realize he had to change things, and altered his swing. As for Middlebrooks, the Sox could have had him in 2013 when the shine was coming off but not totally like it is now. They passed. I would expect them to pass again unless he has a thing for Charlotte.