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QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Nov 7, 2015 -> 06:36 AM) Dan Hayes is suggesting we'd lose our comp pick from Shark if we signed a free agent that received a QO. Anyone know if this is true? Yes. You lose your next selection after The one that was protected.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 06:21 PM) Rob Rains ‏@RobRains 3m3 minutes ago Affton, MO Winning bid for Byung-ho Park is $12.85 million. MLB team unknown but Korean team says it will accept bid. I am guessing Pirates or Yankees. I saw this guy on video. He doesn't set up the same, but his swing reminds me of Maggs when Maggs would, take a huge cut.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 06:37 PM) This David Freese talk has me throwing up. I don't see him as the answer at 3B at all. Not a big fan. He seems to be one of those guys who will have a decent year if another team signs him, but hit.213 with 6 homers and a ton of errors if the White Sox were to get him. On the other hand, if you can be average at 3B, you are ahead of the game.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 06:28 PM) Last time we checked, Beckham and Hawkins weren't exactly "low" draft picks. The complaint isn't so much about Sale, Anderson, Rodon and Fulmer as it is the wasteland which is all the other rounds the last two decades. They've done decently with pitchers such as Santiago, Reed, Petricka, Erik Johnson, and Nate Jones, but position players are another matter...that we've paid dearly for covering up minor league deficiencies with "buy high for diminished future production" results. The cycle feels endless at this point. One report comparing or linking Shark to Leake or Kazmir (with an agenda to make the Sox look better) isn't any more compelling than not knowing a single fact here. And Honestly, by that line of thinking, we were almost ready to give out the equivalent of a $90-100 million deal to Mike Leake or Scott Kazmir....how disastrous would that have been for Hahn/KW? Talk about poor evaluation. Would those two pitchers also have been projected by the front office to lead the Sox to the second wild card as Hahn intimated staying pat would do at the deadline? Beckham was picked 8th and has the 8th highest career WAR of the 46 players considered 1st round picks that year. Not as huge of a miss. Hawkins 13th, appears to be a miss, I will give you that one. Even Dayton Moore misses. Christain Colon 4th ? Chris Sale would have looked nice. Bubba Starling 5th? Sonny Gray might have been able to keep Cueto from having to be acquired and kept the dynamic duo of Duffy and Finegan together forever.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 05:45 PM) Here we go again. Can we ever have a conversation without feeling the need to insult someone (basically the majority of the site)? Why is it necessary? If we believe the White Sox messed up the Shark situation, and there are plenty of arguments to support that position which are well known and articulated, how does voicing that opinion make you a whiner? Should we preface every retort with Sox Kool Aid drinkers would have us believe they planned the whole thing out in advance to go exactly the way it did? Again what was offered for Samardzija? The reports said it was similar to Mike Leake. The Reds received a pinch hitter who can't hit, and a 21 year old who throws 96 in high A, has potential, but has already missed time with a sore rotator cuff, and BP said medicals and mechanics point to a future in the bullpen.The White Sox are probably going to get a 25-28 pick if not slightly better and an additional $2 million to play with. They have no problem developing relievers. It made sense at the time to hang on. The fact is they did draft lower most of the last 2 decades. So if you are going to say picks near the bottom of the first round usually don't net any team much, then you really shouldn't complain about the White Sox drafts when the were selecting there.The other fact is, when they do make this selection, there will be players on the board who will eventually be all stars. They haven't picked these types, although they got Sale at 12 which was beyond a steal, so they are due.

QUOTE (shipps @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 05:12 PM) With them getting a comp pick where they are going to get them I can understand why there were some here that were saying it would have been better to get any low level prospect from anyone in a trade last season. Clearly there is a lot of value in getting a pick sandwiched between the first two rounds...like a lot of value. And while the habitual whiners who complain that when the Sox regularly drafted lower, they drafted crap, but now tell you that the draft position historically brings you crap, may even have a point, there is a couple of million in slot money that can be maneuvered.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 04:52 PM) I think it's the order the free agents sign. So we want Samardzija to sign quick. Researching I think it goes by record so the 2 Padre picks would be the only picks before the White Sox

How is the order of the comp picks chosen? 20 QOs could mean that pick becomes a few slots higher than previously thought.

This would make a pretty good made for TV movie.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 02:37 PM) One thing I forgot is Lexi could be 42 by now. The age thing. That's true. I really doubt he came over with a legit birth certificate.

One day of watching him try to catch would make the team scrap it's plan. It would never work, and would probably piss off a lot of your roster.

I sure didn't sound like Hahn expected him to accept it a few weeks ago. On the other hand, if he truly is convinced the reason he sucked is because he was tipping his pitches and will be awesome next season, he should take it. Not only would he make more because of performance, there isn't as much competition for the free agent pitching dollars next year. But that would be a bit shocking.

QUOTE (shysocks @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 01:56 PM) Put this in here because he's on some lists. He was a prime candidate to accept IMO.

QUOTE (ChiSoxJon @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 01:25 PM) I'd be happy with 2 and Weiters I wouldn't mind Weiters either, but that is Boras. I am thinking Avila with how they always talk him up. If healthy he can hit. I would rather the Sox pay Avila a little money than send players for Jason Castro.

There were rumors of the White Sox trying to trade for Kendrick last year or the year before IIRC.

I think most of the free agent predictions are nuts.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 12:16 PM) Alas, we don't have a Top 5 or Top 10 farm system to draw from despite six (going on seven) abysmal seasons in the past nine. I seem to remember everyone (including Hawk) predicting how good they would be, it just took Hosmer, Moustakas, Cain and Gordon a couple more years than predicted to finally put it all together. How many games under .500 was Epstein at the 3-4 year mark with the Cubs? Was he also inept because of all the losing? The Cubs at least were in the playoffs (twice) within five years of the beginning of his tenure. It wasn't a completely hopeless situation that every fellow GM advised him against the challenge and the very high probability of failure/career suicide. It's funny, Hawk's a joke if he says something you don't agree with, but you use him as a source when it suits you.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 10:58 AM) I did tell you Jeff Banister was going to do something good with the Rangers. The real answer is nobody really knew at that time...everything was risked on the Greinke and then Myers/Odorizzi for Shields/Davis trade. Just like the Cubs/Astros now recently, they had the best farm system that time, but so did the White Sox in 2000 when they were cruising to a title and how well did thst work out? Very few of those prospects other than Buehrle had anything to do with 2005, at any rate. It took the White Sox until midseason this year to name Nick Hostetler...so while I was a bit late, the White Sox didn't do any better, either. So 6 years into his tenure, with the Royals 134 games below .500 from 2007-2012, even though you weren't posting, you were probably thinking the Royals organization was as inept as you perceive the White Sox organization to be right now. The good news is, KW, RH, and JR should be geniuses in a few years, considering his first 6 years at the helm, he didn't have 1 team win as many games as the 2015 White Sox.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 10:42 AM) By that line of reasoning, KW should have a permanent seat as GM/president. It also discounts the incredible helpfulness of playing in two consecutive World Series/es for a fanbase. Those win numbers quoted, not unsurprisingly, don't include the postseason and 11 extra wins that perhaps are just a bit more important than regular season games. Consistent performance. Not part of the Sox history. If we got to the World Series again in 2006, we wouldn't now have to read hundreds of posts blaming White Sox fans for their current situation. We all should appreciate Ozzie, Cooper, Hahn and KW more for their contributions in 2004-2006. Got it. And we should also ignore one of the biggest media markets in the US vs. one of the smallest and compare them as if they should be on equal footing somehow. Just put the Royals stuff in the proper place Royals boy. Right by the pictures you posted of their parade. It is funny, you weren't telling us teams need to hire a guy from the Braves and the Royals were building a great organization at any time before 2014. 8 years after Moore took the job. Then you hopped on the bandwagon, and they can do no wrong. Why weren't you telling us the White Sox needed to be like the Royals in 2010, 4 years into Moore's tenure?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 10:15 AM) Because those are two more of the buy low pitching candidates available on the free agent market. Every White Sox fan in the world today would gladly trade six abysmal seasons (2007, 2009, 2011, 2013-2015) for having the best record in the AL over the span of three CONSECUTIVE seasons. As it is, we still won't be close to that latter accomplishment and it will be seven abysmal seasons out of the past ten without a playoff reappearance in sight based on every projection of how 2016 will play out. Royals last 3 years 270 wins 1 trophy The dumbass KW and the clueless White Sox from 2004-2006 272 wins and 1 trophy The Royals actually have the worst record in the AL the last 25 years.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 6, 2015 -> 10:08 AM) No, someone brought up Chris Young the outfielder and former Sox prospect vs. Chris Young the pitcher. I did the exact same thing with the Twins in the past, or the Tigers. In order to defeat one's enemy, you must know him/her better than you know yourself and study their ways. Maybe the White Sox deliberately remain oblivious to their competition (KW's quotes about the Tigers now being in a better position to compete with the White Sox serving as a sort of template), but I'd like to believe they are more forward thinking than that. KW's quotes about the Tigers being in a better position to compete were made in December of 2007. 2008 AL Central Champions were the White Sox. Turns out he was correct, and even in hindsight, your ripping the White Sox trumps the truth in your mind.

We have to look at the bright side, Dayton Moore is probably the greatest GM who has ever lived. The Royals are probably now the greatest team ever assembled really in any sport. We can cry incompetence with KW and RH, but they are obviously using the Royals blueprint: 69-93 75-87 65-97 67-95 71-91 72-90 86-76 The records of Dayton Moore generally managed teams before he made the playoffs. I won't count 2006 since he took over halfway through. Sure it was the worst record in the AL, even with the winning season. Sure the Sox will suck so bad for a few more years, but then, if a couple things break right, we will be able to call them one of the greatest franchises in sports, and every move they make will be the model that other teams will follow.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Nov 5, 2015 -> 05:31 PM) This actually is the off season plan thread I will edit.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Nov 5, 2015 -> 05:23 PM) Because the White Sox used to be capable of hitting on the type of moves that Schoenfeld outlined. They did it in 2004-05. As much as we see retorts of thirty years of losing and look at all those high draft picks, the Royals won largely because of the plethora of free agents they (cheaply, except for Rios) brought in over the last two seasons. Sure, they had their core, like the White Sox have now...but it had to be supplemented with the right mix of players. Why have the White Sox been complete failures in this category for the past decade? Why do we always seem to have the same recurring problems/issues with talent evaluation and/or scouting, forgetting for a moment the role of the coaching staff. http://www.wsj.com/articles/building-royal...?mod=rss_Sports But mostly just for Greg to get a kick out of an Alex Rios quote about winning it all in the Wall Street Journal of all places...revenge for all of his incorrect predictions this postseason. We get the Royals won and you have had an erection for more than 4 hours, but this is a White Sox off season thread that has nothing to do with Rios or Gordon or taunting Greg.

Why is Royals crap in this thread?