Dick Allen

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 4, 2015 -> 12:38 PM) The value of a SS on the open market has changed a TON since 2009. Not 34 year olds with declining offensive and defensive production. In fact, I would say, the over 30 crowd is probably having a harder time getting a big payday than their steroid era counterparts.

QUOTE (LDF @ Nov 4, 2015 -> 12:25 PM) nice.... lost in translation.... i could not have thought of a better word. in the late 80's. the push was there, whether it was covert or accidental of more prospects coming from south of the border so to speak. the sox was trying and thinking of exploring the idea of getting some bi-lingual person just for the translation. the idea was comfort level of the players mind set. now don't shoot the messenger but that was the discussion and thinking. players who can talk to someone in their language naturally instead of trying to think of the translation was the subject. now this was from a sox minor official that was there for the season ticket holders get together. i always thought that it was a great approach. now i don't know, but there was a idea floating around of having a english class for some really young prospects. now i do not if that was ever done. but the idea of baseball is expanding to start including other nations and prospects are premium commodity . There definitely are English classes available. I do think a lot of these guys, why they don't speak English, understand it well enough to get by, but a guy actually speaking directly to them in Spanish probably is more effective.

Orlando Cabrera was a 33 year old SS with the White Sox who went from making $10 million in 2008 to $4 million in 2009. and he had a better year than Alexei.

QUOTE (winninguglyin83 @ Nov 4, 2015 -> 12:28 PM) Time to move on. Can't keep running the same guys out there year after year and expecting an improved result. Go with Saladino or Sanchez and spend the money to get a third baseman or a catcher. What do you think Alexei is worth on the open market? Will teams really offer him $7 or 8 million a year? I'm thinking half of that. I don't think the White Sox would have declined the option to save a million or 2. They probably would have tried to negotiate it, but if they couldn't, I think they just would have picked it up.

QUOTE (flavum @ Nov 4, 2015 -> 12:11 PM) I hope he's gone, but it really comes down to whether they have any better options. If the answer is no, he'll probably be back at a reduced price. At a low guarantee, it's hard to think of a better option. I wonder which team would offer him anything close to the price of his option.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Nov 4, 2015 -> 12:04 PM) White Sox have declined option on SS Alexei Ramirez. Just announced by the team. They instead exercise $1 million buyout. https://twitter.com/scottmerkin/status/661967111401639936 Doesn't surprise me. I would imagine they tried to get him back cheaper, and still may, but it may be time to get smarter at that position. He's been a really good player and performed very well. I do question his baseball IQ.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Nov 4, 2015 -> 11:44 AM) We don't know whether Alomar believed that or not. In fact, it almost sounded like Alomar didn't want to come here because he didn't want it to be implied he was in that position. I agree with everything you said Elrockin. One big difference is Sandy is out there looking for interviews to manage. It doesn't appear Acta is at this point. Sandy worked on Acta's staff in Cleveland and was the interim when Acta was fired. Maybe they tell Acta if Robin is gone, Sandy is in.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Nov 4, 2015 -> 11:43 AM) But he is mostly right. It is stupid to do. Would be so much cleaner to just can Robin, but whatever. Parent was rumored to be fired because he was gunning for Robin's job and now we're setting ourselves to be in the exact same situation. The rumor was Lip's "source" and it makes so little sense. Think about it, he wanted to be purposely bad at his job to get a promotion. When was this discovered? Earlier in the season? Then why wouldn't he have been fired on the spot? Was it conveniently found out with 3 games left? Parent didn't do that. It was false. Hahn wouldn't have called him a good man when announcing the move if that were true. JR was harsh with Thibs for much less on his way out the door.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Nov 4, 2015 -> 11:31 AM) Do folks really believe we are looking for a bench coach for the 2016 season with the the sole purpose of replacing Robin Ventura? Robin would know this as would the players and coaches. It would be a tremendous insult and why would Ventura want to even come back for the next season, or the Spx mess around like that? The job of the bench coach would be similar to have a right hand next to the manager to deal with the players and assist with moves during the game and after. It us toi make the team better and not to embarrass the manager. I don't think they want to replace him or they would have replaced him, but a slow start and the bench coach is basically next man up. Whether they want to create that feeling that the new guy will be looking over his shoulder, it's going to be there no matter what. Of course Acta could be a bench coach and Sandy Alomar still could be hired to take Robin's place if things go south. It's a real tough spot for someone . Whoever the hire is will be peppered with taking over for Robin questions from the get go.

QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 4, 2015 -> 11:20 AM) Universally known that anyone that questions Robin ventura loves Manny Acta. I never wrote that.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Nov 4, 2015 -> 11:05 AM) He'd be a good hire. Not sure if he'd be interested. If he interviewed, you would have to think he has at least some interest. I just wonder what the Robin haters will say if he does eventually get Robin's job: 73-89 59-102 26-61 69-93 80-82 65-91

QUOTE (LDF @ Nov 4, 2015 -> 10:44 AM) you may have a point. but i remember back in 2004 when talking about getting a bi-lingual person in the dugout, the one thing mention from the org, that with ozzie, that part was covered. then after ozzie, who was the next person to help???? but let do the flip side, why is a need to have a bi-lingual person is needed??? I think Cooper speaks Spanish. At least a little bit. The Sox have a lot of Latin players. I would guess hearing something straight from a coach is probably better than hearing it translated. Lost in Translation. I don't think it would mean an extra 5 or 10 wins. Until the saber guys have some sort of bench coach metric, I'm not buying Mark Parent cost the White Sox games. We don't even know exactly what he did besides work with the catchers and grab the phone for replays. Kaplan mentioned Dave Martinez handles replays and OF positioning. Lazerus was on and said bench coach and 1st base coach are the cushiest jobs in sports. Could be, although a friend of mine was a 3rd string QB in the NFL for a few years. He got paid a lot of money for a regular person and wound up throwing 2 passes in his career. Never even got hit.

Do any of the posters who mention season ticket sales have season tickets or ever had season tickets? I think if not, you should know the most expensive seats will always be sold. The mass exodus usually will be the people in the corners paying $140 for a weekend plan. So as much as you want and some hope when the season ticket base drops 10 or 20 percent, that the ticket sales total number drops that much, you are way off base. Last years model inspired some ticket sales. If they have a good off season they will inspire more. Not from people who aren't going to buy no matter what, but the majority of season ticketholders like the way they are treated by the team.

Flowers is actually a perfect back up catcher. Slightly below average offense for a catcher, but has power and is a great pitch framer. Having him play 120 games is hurtful to the eyes, but if they can get someone who can carry most of the load, he fits.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Nov 4, 2015 -> 09:17 AM) Was that in the papers? A quote by Hahn? It was on the internet. I think Dan Hayes but can't remember. Doesn't mean they won't, but that, and probably correctly, isn't the plan.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Nov 4, 2015 -> 08:57 AM) Sox took a player in the major league phase just two years ago, and kept him around all year. The minor league phase is definitely baseball nerd town. But even there you sometimes find something - like Tago. Nieto doesn't exactly make me dream of the rule 5 possibilities. Maybe, like was stated, if they were picking first, but 10th?

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Nov 4, 2015 -> 08:39 AM) anyway here's my suggestion, which is sure to be met with applause! (Or not). Trade Eaton and Melky to the Padres for Norris, Solarte, Ross and a prospect. Trade Q to Redsox for Bradley JR, Chtistian Vasquez and prospects. 2 holes plugged (albeit no better than plugged) and a killer OF defense with 2 guys who can cover ground and Avi's arm. Need to add a power bat, although I don't know what to do about Laroche. Could eve re-sign Alexei at half price now that the other 2 clowns are gone. Saladino the utility guy. I think your goal is to have the White Sox carry 25 guys making minimum losing 130 games.

The White Sox could always take a pitcher. I wouldn't be too concerned with losing anyone. Texas got Deshileds last year which was good for them, but more the exception than the rule these days. The rule 5 draft IMO gets a lot more attention than it probably deserves. Since it takes place at the end of the Winter Meetings, hopefully we will have more to be excited about then.

I read something yesterday that the White Sox have no intention of using Q to acquire hitting. They want to use their minor leaguers.

QUOTE (LDF @ Nov 4, 2015 -> 05:52 AM) again, the idea of that, is a little too late.. wouldn't you say? It was always important. Parent was a very experienced minor league manager, and they had the translator. It was just the typical Caulfield spin on Bruce Levine's words interpreting that as official White Sox policy, acting like this team knows absolutely nothing about baseball.

QUOTE (LDF @ Nov 4, 2015 -> 05:52 AM) again, the idea of that, is a little too late.. wouldn't you say? It was always important. Parent was a very experienced minor league manager, and they had the translator. It was just the typical Caulfield spin on Bruce Levine's words interpreting that as official White Sox policy, acting like this team knows absolutely nothing about baseball.

You have to play a little defense to win in the NBA. It is the freaking Charlotte Hornets.

The White Sox seem to be waiting until the last minute to announce what they are going to do with Alexei. Makes me think they either trying to get him to sign a lesser contract. It is at least worth a shot.

Just using the law of averages, the Sox are due to have a guy like Engel and a few more actually break out, aren't they?

Noting worse than a College Graduation.