Dick Allen

QUOTE (LDF @ May 27, 2015 -> 09:16 AM) true, but not all players can coach or coach well enuf. but you can not denied they had experience in coaching. This is his 4th season as a manager. The lack of experience complaint window has long passed.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ May 27, 2015 -> 09:06 AM) How can you not see the selection bias issue with this? Let me ask you this: how many teams have ever fired their manager while the team was playing well? Managers are only ever fired when the team is underperforming, therefore natural regression to the mean will see the team improve regardless. There was a Freakonomics study about this years ago showing no difference between the ROS performance of bad teams that fired their managers versus bad teams that kept their managers. One big turnaround was when the Marlins fired Torborg and hired McKeon. Of course they also called up Miggy and Dontrell Willis.

Bobby Cox 1st 5 seasons: 69-93 66-94 81-80 50-56 78-84 Joe Torre 1st 5 seasons: 49-68 66-96 63-99 67-95 41-62 What a couple of idiots. And Hawk, what a fool for firing Tony LaRussa, yet LaRussa had a worse winning pct. as the White Sox manager than Jerry Manuel and the same amount of postseason appearances.

QUOTE (LDF @ May 27, 2015 -> 09:00 AM) they all had some king of coaching job before the managers job. how much did RV had in coaching?? How much does anyone here have, but they all claim to know everything Robin supposedly does incorrectly. It's not rocket science, and he played the game and was a leader for a long time.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 27, 2015 -> 08:51 AM) Torre, Cox, LaRussa, Ventura Somehow, one of them doesn't quite belong in the same conversation. If Ventura goes on to a 30+ year managerial career and enters the Hall of Fame, I'll eat my hat. Why don't you look at how those guys started out.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ May 27, 2015 -> 08:37 AM) My pick would be Don Cooper. I don't think he'll be part of the next managing regime, unless he is the manager himself, so might as well give him that chance now. He deserves it after all these years in the organization There's a good chance he's a disaster, which is fine by me. No different then what is going now. At best, his fiery personality could light a fire under this team. His personality will be good to grab some much needed headlines even when we stink. Keep us somewhat relevent. Similar to Ozzie in that regard. His personality hasn't exactly lit a fire under his pitchers. He is the self proclaimed manager of the pitching staff.

QUOTE (LDF @ May 27, 2015 -> 08:31 AM) the owner's rep of not firing their cronies comes to mind. but this discussion, who is a good candidate to replace him in the interim. And yet everyone still gives Hawk the GM hell for firing Tony LaRussa even though after 83 the 84 team sucked, the 85 team was decent and they were playing horribly in 1986 when he was fired. Fregosi had a 40 point higher winning percentage as the White Sox manager that year. Yeah, firing the manager makes many fans happy, but it doesn't fix things. Robin is fine. If your closer is going to get rocked, and it happens from time to time with every one of them, you are probably going to lose.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ May 27, 2015 -> 08:32 AM) You had Abreu bobble a ball, Sanchez bobble a ball, no one tell Sanchez about a man running home, and Shuck completely misplay a ball In the outfield. And I only was able to watch about a third of the game. That's a lot of mistakes. And it's not like it's some one off game. Similar mistakes have been made all year, almost every game. Maybe firing Ventura won't change anything, but it's certainly worth it to see at this point. It can't possibly hurt anything. The other solution is replacing 4-5 players which, I don't even have to say this, is essentially impossible midseason. The no one tell Sanchez a guy was running home was quickly edited by Stone once he saw the replay. For some reason Carlos didn't throw the ball. Why a rookie who has been up this year for about a week didn't throw the ball, I will never know, but how that could be because.....Robin Ventura, that is just plain ridiculous. Firing Robin does not fix the problems.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ May 27, 2015 -> 08:04 AM) Basic fundamental plays doomed us yet again last night. Please the blame on who you see fit. Which ones doomed the White Sox? They gave up 10 runs. They all were earned. There was an error but that meant nothing. If Carlos Sanchez bobbles a ball or Jose Abreu drops a pop up, as much as you think it is Robin's fault, they still would do the same thing if someone else was sitting in the dugout. We might as well start a thread about acquiring Bryce Harper and Mike Trout. The chances are just as good that happens. This thread was created to hopefully generate more Robin bashing. Last night was not on the manager.

Ventura is not getting fired. This thread is a waste of bandwidth.

QUOTE (harkness @ May 26, 2015 -> 09:28 PM) Walk him... I don't care what bautista has done... I thoughts that what ventura was doing there. Just such a failure And Steve Stone is a dumbarse also soon as his fat face started blowing about Robertson I knew we were done. This is up there with the worst, most uniformed posts of all time.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 26, 2015 -> 09:13 PM) You're right....about 2014, where both righties and lefties had sub-.600 OPS against him. In 2015 so far, that's not who he is. Right and he hardly faces LH hitters. The Sox are winning 9-7 but the whining continues. Why do you pay attention to gsmes if winning doesn't even make you happy? If he brought in Putnam and he gave up runs, the complaining would be about that.

QUOTE (GREEDY @ May 26, 2015 -> 09:11 PM) Says you and robin. Not to mention Valencia is the most extreme split woba hitter in baseball. I didn't look but I'd bet Colabello and Pillar aren't far behind. Horrific bullpen management. Sox lead 9-7. 0 runs scored. Duke doesn't face many lefties.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 26, 2015 -> 09:07 PM) .809 OPS against Righties, .510 OPS against lefties coming in. That's some pretty major splits. I guess sample size doesn't count anymore. But the reason they gave him $15 million was he was able to get guys out from both sides.

QUOTE (GREEDY @ May 26, 2015 -> 09:02 PM) Bringing in Zach Duke to face: Colabello, Valencia & Pillar is a FIREABLE OFFENSE I cannot believe my eyes. Duke isn't a LOOGY.

Sanchez doesn't walk, but I think he has been hit 3 times.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 26, 2015 -> 07:46 PM) Stone calls out the white sox infield for their failed fundamentals letting that 6th run score. Then they show the replay and Sanchez didn't have his back to the play. He just didn't throw it.

Abre-o

An Adam Eaton throw

Shuck read that horribly

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 26, 2015 -> 05:41 PM) So what will bring people to the games? As far as I can tell you still say here "people won't come to games when the team is good" If people won't come to the games when the team is good then the team does not belong in this city. That is the only thing I can take from every single one of your posts - we have a failed fanbase and the only thing keeping this team afloat is the sweetheart deal they got on the stadium revenue. Having to buy season ticket packages for WS tickets. See the 2006 White Sox, and the 2015 Royals.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 26, 2015 -> 05:35 PM) So this fan base cannot support a team, even winning is not enough. They should move is the only logical end point of your argument. No. But winning 3 years in a row, unless it includes multiple WS appearances won't happen if people won't come to games when the team is good. The make money every year. They supposedly didn't when they lost 99 games and that was only $3 million, but included a $10 million signing bonus they gave Abreu after the season.

I am optimistic. They played wll for a week and were back in it. I have to assume most guys will at least come closer to their career norms, and I am not as down on Abreu as others. I think he will snap out of it in a big way Melky's slump started with a lot of at em balls. I think he will eventually be OK. Tonight would be a good time to start hitting again.

QUOTE (Boogua @ May 26, 2015 -> 04:57 PM) I heard this too, but couldn't it be a ploy to get teams that want Thibs to up their offers to the Bulls (if there are any). Ait could be. Or they might be afraid he goes to a potentially decent team like New Orleans , and does better than the Bulls. But why give up draft picks? The Bulls hold no cards.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 26, 2015 -> 03:50 PM) Honestly, that was the month where I had completely turned off the White Sox because I could see them breaking down and didn't want to watch it happen. But if you think the team needs to move, why won't you just come out and say it? I never said anything about moving, you should send your resume to Fox News. You make up so many things. Even in 2005, they had a 9.5 game lead in a season they never where not in first place, and drew 50k total for a 3 game series in SEPTEMBER VS. KC.