Harry Chappas

Oakland loves the White Sox farm system.

In professional sports "ceilings" and talent outweigh production. The flaw in White Sox drafting is to draft projectable guys not ceiling guys hence they pass on Garza for Broadway, how did that work out. Teams want the flash which Bedard can give you as oppossed to the production which Buerhle and Garland give. Has Bedard ever thrown 200 innings in a season?

I posted this in an other thread. Why is no NL team going all out to win now? The cubs are closest but they are not gettting exactly what they need. There are a ton of teams that are missing a piece or two but know they do not need to get it to succeed. The NL palyoffs were a disgrace and they could be worse this year. The things the Dodgers do is mind numbing. Arizona needed bats so what are they going to do.........go after pitching. It seems that the NL is afraid to give up young players in trades. I believe the reason for this is they do not have to. They can go cheap and be successful. Am I crazy to think that the talent in the NL is so weak that the really good hitters and pitchers become extremely overrated because they get to face substandard talent? The AL runs a good team out there just about every night while the NL barely has a good team. For every Aaraon Harang, Jake Peavy and Brandon Webb there are three Cory Lidle's and Jeff Suppan's. I really think the stats can almost be skewed based on ths differntial in talent in the AL and NL.

If the report by the Royals manager who noted that Fukodome is nothing special are true and I thought his numbers were below those of Iguchi while he was in Japan, is $12.5M for 4 years obsurd? How does OBP actaully seem to translate to the US? Although I do not beleive he is worth the 4/$50M the Sox still need to do something.

QUOTE(knightni @ Dec 10, 2007 -> 04:08 PM) The 2003/04 offseason was our time of Colon Cleansing. Let's not repeat that mistake again. What was the mistake with getting Colon? He pitched very well especially down the stretch and his Septemebr at least kept it interesting. If Loiaza doesn't wet himself in September that team could have done something.

Starting pitching market will get hot Ken Rosenthal FOXSports.com, Updated 14 hours ago STORY TOOLS: This could be the week when the starting-pitching market begins to shake out. The week when Japanese free-agent right-hander Hiroki Kuroda signs with the Mariners, Dodgers or Diamondbacks. The week when the Diamondbacks or Indians trade for A's right-hander Dan Haren. Maybe even the week that the Mariners or Dodgers obtain Orioles left-hander Erik Bedard and some team finally acquires Twins lefty Johan Santana. The trade of Haren could happen first — and the Diamondbacks and Indians, two clubs deep in young talent, are in the best position to make a deal, according to major-league sources. Once Kuroda signs and Haren is traded, the A's Joe Blanton would become the best right-hander available in trade or free agency, giving general manager Billy Beane greater trade leverage. From every indication, Beane is poised to acquire younger players and gear toward the opening of Cisco Field in 2011. Such a rebuilding program would raise questions about the A's interest in Barry Bonds, who would fit with the club only if it planned to contend. The Diamondbacks' offer for Haren is believed to include Class AAA outfielder Carlos Gonzalez, Class AAA second baseman Emilio Bonifacio and Class AA left-hander Brett Anderson, among others. The Indians' advantage is that they can offer superior major-league ready pitching, including righty Adam Miller, who projects as either a top-of-the-rotation starter or closer, and lefty Aaron Laffey, a sinker-baller who could develop into another Mark Buehrle. Haren, the starting pitcher for the American League in the 2007 All-Star Game, could form a potent trio with C.C. Sabathia and Fausto Carmona in Cleveland — and protect the Indians against the loss of Sabathia as a free agent at the end of the season. Or he could combine with Brandon Webb to give the Diamondbacks a formidable 1-2 punch at the top of their rotation — a rotation that also would include Doug Davis, Micah Owings and possibly Randy Johnson. Haren's contract makes him a bargain: He is signed for $4 million in '08 and $5.5 million in '09, and his deal also includes a $6.75 million club option for '10 that could become guaranteed if he pitches a certain number of innings. Bedard is under control for two more seasons and his salaries will be higher in arbitration. The teams interested in him include the Mets, Mariners, Dodgers, Reds and Cardinals. The Red Sox and Yankees also like Bedard, but it is doubtful the Orioles would trade him to an AL East rival. The Reds are heavily interested in Bedard, sources say, but unwilling to part with prized outfield prospect, Jay Bruce, a potential deal-breaker. The Dodgers can offer perhaps the strongest proposal, but they have yet to complete a major off-season trade in Ned Colletti's two years as GM, preferring to sign free agents and hold their prospects. The Mariners could be the team to watch — they want to trade for Bedard even if they sign Kuroda, and they're signaled a willingness to part with outfielder Adam Jones, who is perhaps the most attractive young player the Orioles could acquire in any deal. Jones, frequently compared to Torii Hunter, could become the Orioles' biggest African-American star since Eddie Murray. The inclusion of right-hander Brandon Morrow and/or catcher Jeff Clement would make the deal that much more tempting for Baltimore. The Orioles, according to sources, also are entertaining the idea of packaging Bedard with shortstop Miguel Tejada to yield an even higher return. Such a proposal would make particular sense for the Dodgers, who have the need for both players and the young talent to make such a deal occur. Finally, there is Santana. The Red Sox continued to talk with the Twins over the weekend. The Mets desperately want to be in. The Yankees refuse to rule themselves out. It still seems likely that Santana will be traded, likely that he will sign a monster extension, and likely that the biggest moves in the baseball off-season are yet to come. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If the Indians get starting pitching I will finally agree with the blow it all up theory. If the D'Backs, Reds and Mets get involved the NL could get a lot tougher. I reallly do not know why NL teams are not making big moves. The NL is so winnable right now that a big trade can win it all. Any of these three guys would be really big for the Sox. Minnesota may have it right again and the Sox will sit in second or third while they continue to "try" and reload. The problem with KW is he is "trying" to go for it without doing anything about it.

QUOTE(Al Lopez's Ghost @ Dec 9, 2007 -> 01:26 PM) ESPN News today is saying that the Reds are confident they will obtain Bedard. I wonder if the media storm will rain down on the cubs for not making moves as the Brewers will be better simply by gaining experience while the cub will be older and the Reds have made some nice moves if they make this.

QUOTE(forrestg @ Dec 7, 2007 -> 07:40 PM) I'd say to go along with the name they are losing. How about Thome, Uribe and a pitcher Floyd and some cash for Roberts and Bedard. We can use Dye at DH trade paulie for Conor Jackson and we then have speed on the basepaths Are you serious? They have zero need for Uribe or Floyd. If they wanted veteran players they would not be giving up Bedard or Roberts. Those three guys would get you neither by themself.

I looked a little into their stats and I again will say...Roberts and Bedard bring to the Sox what they need more then Cabrerra and Willis would. A #1 pitcher who can strike guys out in a park that needs it and a high but not great OBP guy who can steal a base. Roberts at second and Owens in center (batting 9th) gives the Sox the reverse of Juice Cruz and Rudy Law circa 1983. The Sox give anything they have to for this. They O's are supposedly shopping Mora as well.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Dec 6, 2007 -> 09:55 PM) I may know that and you may know that but I'm not convinced all baseball people believe this to be the case. People seriously love Rich Hill as a pitcher, for whatever reason that big hook carries a lot of clout with major league executives. But yeah, I agree Garland is definitely the better pitcher. You are the second person (see pg4) in this thread that debated my point and then when on to prove it. I agree with you to a degree. The most damning thing to me is that if Hill does anything in game 3 that series could have been way different. The same thing could be said for Garland putting his team up 2-1 in 2005.

QUOTE(Chombi @ Dec 6, 2007 -> 06:07 PM) Open market Danks is worth more simply because of his age. People are hoping he can hit that ceiling we speak of but I wouldn't get my hopes all the way up on that for at least 2 more years. That was my point, not that Hill pitched better than Danks last year. If Hill nets more than Jon Garland for the cubs, KW should be fired. Floyd I believe could have more value than Hill. I think this Board has taken to the fact hat the Sox farm system is complete garbage and every other team is stocked. That just isn't he case. If the Sox suck this year and get a #4 pick in 2009 and get a couple of picks for Cabrerra in the offseasn they will have a farm system in the top 5 but A)They have to suck and B)They have to spend on draft picks. The guys the Tigers gave up were both Top 10 picks.

I think Felix Pie is very comparable to Brian Andersona and I think Rich Hill has topped out, he will not get any better and is no better than Gavin Floyd as a prospect. Hill has had a greater deal of success due to a terrible division and inferior league. When Rich Hill needed to step up to get the ball to Big Z he got hit at home pretty good and failed. Sorry but I think he is overrated by the cub and anyone that thinks he is anything more than mediocore. His ceiling has been reached. Danks and Floyd have accomplished more at their age than Hill and I thereby find any comparison moot.

QUOTE(Gregory Pratt @ Dec 6, 2007 -> 12:53 PM) honestly, I share a distaste for Bonds but it's tempered and nuance -- that said... would you feel that same way about Joe DiMaggio, who was greedy, a jerk, a wife-beater, an asshole to fans...he was Barry Bonds without "cheating" or a hostile media. How dare you compare Mr Steroids to Mr Coffee. Have you no class?

So next year there could be 3 relievers pitching that we gave away for nothing. We lose three guys this year and get back 1.....this organization really confuses me.

Isn't our 40 man filled and we therefore do not even get a pick. Nobody could be better than Andy Gonzalez.

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Dec 6, 2007 -> 08:46 AM) Is Owens greater to or equal than Pie? I would trade Owens, Richar, Floyd, Broadway and Gio and more if we could get both Bedard and Roberts. Pie is a better defender and has a little more pop. When I first saw Pie I could not believe how small he was. I stand by my statement that Bedard and Roberts do more for this team then Cabrearra and Willis based on the needs of your Chciago White Sox and KW should pull out everthing that is not DLS for this move.

What is the difference between Pie and Anderson, oh wait the cubs didn't trash their prospect beyond belief and bring his worth down to nothing. Gallagher = Broadway Veal = Poor man's Gio Pie = Anderson Marshall = Floyd Hill = Poor man's Danks (due to age upside and service time) I really think Hill benefits from a poor division. Hill and Marshall would get killed in the NL East.

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Dec 5, 2007 -> 04:37 PM) What would it take to get this guy? Here is our solution to our leadoff spot and 2nd base. Perfect fit. If we trade for him and sign Rowand I would be very happy. Do we have enough to offer to get both him and Bedard like the Tigers did with Cabrera and Willis. This would be a better fit for the White Sox if they could pull something like this off. I would be absolutely ecstatic if they could get either or both of these guys. Roberts and Bedard are better than Willis and Cabrerra I believe. Give them Gio, Danks, Fields, Richar and another AAAA pitcher.

QUOTE(fathom @ Dec 5, 2007 -> 04:24 PM) The Braves offered Chuck James, a highly touted lefty MLB starter, and I believe the Royals said no. I'm worried about what we'd have to give up to get DeJesus. I'd much rather trade for Josh Hamilton. Off the top of my head, I thought I saw James pitch and he looked terrible. Am I confusing him with an atlanta leftie that really blew. I thought it was Saturday afternoon game agaisnt he cubs when Pinella got tossed......

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Dec 5, 2007 -> 02:06 PM) (Raises hand) Um, didn't one of those 2 guys already, you know, spend a year starting in the big leagues? He didn't win ROY therefore he sucks come on get with the program.

Sign Fukodome and either Jones/Rowand or blow the whole damn thing up.

I would like to see a reality show involving Eric Byrnes, Manny Ramirez, Elijah Dukes and Ozzie Guillen myself.

QUOTE(CanOfCorn @ Dec 3, 2007 -> 10:28 PM) The Cards could use Spezio as a stopgap...but who would the Sox want from the Cards? Anthony Reyes.

Is Quentin out of options and/or did the D'Backs need room on their 40 man for some reason. This trade still looks great for the Sox and adds what they need while not giving anything in the short term to the D'Backs. As was pointed out earlier a flier on Phillips and or a throw like Sisco, McDougal, Aardesma or McCullough would still seem to tilt the trade to the Sox. Hell even Floyd would've been ok.

QUOTE(daa84 @ Dec 3, 2007 -> 03:09 PM) danks was a top 50 prospect in baseball heading into this year....broadway egbert and floyd at this points in their careers are nowhere near sniffing the top 100 let alone top 50....even after struggling in the second half...danks value (at least what it would be on the trade market) is quite a bit higher than those guys mentioned not named gio....gio and danks have a chance to be #3 starters....those other guys project as #5s My point was why we do not need Micha Owings not really about Danks.