Harry Chappas

Do you want a PR nightmare....... 1) Why did Konerko resign for less money - Thome 2) Nicest (Personality and at the plate) player I think I have ever witnessed - Thome 3) $7M a year for real good numbers - Thome The White Sox were on the verge of overcoming the mass negativity generated from Reinsdorf being cheap, the White Flag and the strike. I know KW should tune this out and do what is best for the franchise but trading Thome or Buerhle would be suicide. Now if they traded Thome and kept the Phillie money and resigned Buerhle, maybe. I beleive a 90 loss season and a strtch drive by the cubs culd really hurt this team. Ichiro will not hit free agency if Seattle makes a run at the playoffs.

At some point over the next couple of weeks, sooner rather then later, the White Sox need to sit down with Buerhle and his agent and find what he wants. If he is traded and there is no talk of bringing him back that would be a poor organizational move. I understand it would be tampering but I am sure that happens all of the time. Buerhle is a bright enough guy to go to a team and come back next season knowing that the organization is better for loaning him to a contendor. Here is the problem with that, Buerhle's wife is due to have a baby at the end of July. If he is not consulted on the deal you can kiss him and any benefits good-bye for next season. If I am KW I take nothing less that highway robbery, explain the deal to Buerhle, him and guarantee that they will make a serious run at him in the offseason and lay out the long term plans of hte organization. I doubt any of this happens and he is moved for two AA pitchers and journeyman 4th outfielder. All of which make for good AAP's and nothing more.

QUOTE(Greg The Bull Luzinski @ Jun 13, 2007 -> 03:07 PM) Same old thread, different day, same game. Fixed

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jun 13, 2007 -> 03:01 PM) Wow, I think we're actually guaranteed to make it through our full lineup 4 times. Does anyone else think it's been a while since that happened? By one hitter. Owens "still not running well" thanks Ed how about the hitting. Phils are not that good at all. 3-15- in last 18.......... Well at least all of the teams are under .500 0-18 would have been hard to take.

The average of the 9 hitters in the Gameday line-up right now is .197 (Logan at .000). This team sucks.

1 hit in the last 5 innings. AJ swings first or second pitch when we need runners. Sorry to those that think he is worth something but he is quickly becoming Uribe Jr. For he to think that he should not be platooned is stupid .238 average and .287 OBP...also his defense is non-existant as any ball in the dirt is a WP and runners steal at will.

QUOTE(Jenks Heat @ Jun 13, 2007 -> 02:00 PM) Rowand to hit...every ex-Sox player kills them. Sliders away please. Ah the Rowand talk'll never end now. He just teased us earlier. Yep it 's the bullpen's fault.

4 pitch walk to barajas Simply sad that is all i can say about this team right now. Sad

Abraham f***ing Nunez. Well they have given the Phils plenty of opportunity to embarass themselves and finally the Phils are taking advantage of it. The point made earlier of Ozzie making sure guys play the right way....that is funny as nobody on this team does except maybe Garland, Thome, Jenks and Buerhle.

This could be the most pathetic display of playing and managing I have witnessed. Lead off hit. No pinch hitter Four guys take 2,3,3, and 2 pitches. My lord this is nauseating. Oh and with the off day tomorrow everyone but Masset should pitch today. The stupidity of this team is incredible.

It is amazing how hitters can take a close pitch while the White Sox moron hitters feel the need to swing at anything close to pop out or hit the twelve hopper to second.

QUOTE(fathom @ Jun 13, 2007 -> 02:00 PM) What did Uribe do now? Took his time on a grounder and the runner ran and beat it out. Game tied on GO. I am really starting to not like Uribe and AJ. Another pitching change. Why isn't the pen used like this when the Sox were in contention?????

Rowand to hit...every ex-Sox player kills them. Sliders away please.

Turning into typical Sox finish. Pitcher at 82 pitches, made him throw 10 in that inning............ Anyone smell an identical score as last night's game? At least Uribe has that steller defense to back-up the .200 average. Shouldn't every team loaf down the line like the Sox do. I thought that was an unwritten rule.

Nice K on Howard. Bullpen time, this inning just keeps getting uglier. At this point in the season, he should have left him in just to try and get the win. If the Sox were a game out and playing the Indians on the last day of the season he would've stayed with him. Why the hell not. Farmer just said he pitched a pretty good game. WHIP of almost 2 and possibly 4 runs in 4.2 innings....

This inning is getting ugly really fast. Danks not looking good at all. 100 pitches in 4.1 innings. This should be his last batter. 15 pitches to Utley and Victorino.

Owens really does not need to leadoff anymore.

QUOTE(TheOcho @ Jun 13, 2007 -> 01:21 PM) I saw that... just the one play it looked like Cintron was diving from short.. I must be seeing things. If they play a big shift on Howard they may switch position and have Uribe cover more ground as the 2B. I always wondered why teams did not do this more when the overswitch type thing was in play. You probably were just watching the game via a reflection in a window or mirror. Danks has seen more pitches today than AJ has for the last two weeks combined.

SEASON STARTS NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jun 13, 2007 -> 11:55 AM) I'm telling you Billingsley and Betemit for Dye and _________ would be an absolutely ideal trade. A talented young starter to plug into the rotation next year at near league minimum salary and a power hitting 25 year old infielder to put at 2B (he homered again yesterday, up to 6 in ~100 AB) who is also a Pre-Arb player. A deal like that could set the Sox up for a good push next season. Betemit will replace Kent or Nomar next year so I doubt they move him. The best package might be one that includes Dye and McDougal or Dye and Iguchi. The problem is that there is no replacement for Iguchi next year. They would be best served trying to resign him and package Dye with someone(Floyd, Gonzalez, Contrearas. etc) to get legitimate prospects that can contribute immediately (ie come up now and play everyday). The Padres come to mind as Contrearas would look good in that ballpark.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jun 13, 2007 -> 11:49 AM) Terrero moving up in the line up... Anyone think he could make a reasonable shot at the #2 hitter with Iguchi leading off until the ambigiously injured duo makes a return? Iguchi should lead off period. The remainder of the year should be used to see if this guy has the ability to get on base without using home runs and see if he got concentrate on OBP. I am tired of the fast low OBP guy up there. The pipedream of Ichiro is gone with Seattle looking like a competitve team. No way they let him go. Next year there are no options right now. See what Iguchi could do.

Who cares about Patti LaBelle? This story is about a singer looking to get some PR plain and simple end of story. The bigger story is why was Marianne Rowand not with her husband? Jesus Christ this is just stupid. To difuse the situation Guillen is going to take a run at the Phillie Phanatic this afternoon.

You can replace the Cardinals with any other team and realize that this is a real good article written about the value of a White Sox player that may or may not be traded in the next 6 weeks.

QUOTE(vandy125 @ Jun 12, 2007 -> 11:31 AM) Yep, and since they keep on swinging at it, the ump starts calling it a strike later on in the game. So, they have to keep swinging at it. We need a patient approach at the very beginning of the game. Seems like it builds on itself. I have been saying this for over a year now. The White Sox do not work the count and swing at really good pitches instead of letting them go. They try to cover the entire strike and have no strike zone recognition on top of that. A pitcher never has to worry about falling behind in the count becasue the White Sox will swing at a good pitchers pitch on 2-0 or 3-1 and not make the pitcher come to them. Boston, New York and Oakland are great at this.

A team with needs that likes the draft like oh say.....Oakland would take an Iguchi or Dye and turn that player into the picks. This is a way to trade for draft picks with some risk involved. Neither Dye or Iguchi make a ton of money where arbitration would kill them should the player choose this. Here is why neither should accept arbitration......they would be a year older. Both need longer term deals which may cost them a year at a higher rate but in total they would get a larger package and thus they would turn down arbitration. A team could trade a couple of decent/good prospects that are blocked in exchange for the draft picks and the player. The Sox could also eat the contract and get better players, see the reverse of the Everett and Alomar deals.