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QUOTE (bbilek1 @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 01:18 PM) On days like this I wish the mods here were more like the mods at WSI. Hand out bulls*** suspensions for anyone who claims we can get Bogarets for Peavy OR Profar for Rios. Yeah, because you know better!

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 11:45 AM) And I don't know about Hahn, but if Kenny Williams had any say, if that was on the table, it would have been done ago. Kenny loves to buy cheap. Trading Bundy for Peavy is more like the kind of trade Kenny would make - if he were the GM of the Orioles.

How about we put the title in correctly (i.e., HAS strongly suggested)...I thought he was dead for a second!

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 10:59 AM) I see no issue with Hahn ASKING For that. When it comes down to it, I'd imagine he is now asking (or already has asked) for the best and final offers from all teams on Peavy, Rios, etc., and will then pick the best he can get. Or, if the return is just way too low, then he'll hold on that player. It isn't that complicated, but I really doubt it is a matter of saying "I want this" and then it ends there. Yeah, we have to remember Hahn is an attorney and a talented negotiator. I'm sure he's doing just fine.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 10:50 AM) I am guessing this meant the Sox would send $4 million with Peavy? Maybe to cover the pro-rated buyout that was pushed forward from last off -season? Steve Burns ‏@StvBurns 15h The White Sox wanted Russell, Gray and $20m for Peavy? What alternate universe are they living in? #Athletics Ugh, these guys just ruin their credibility when they tweet stupid s*** like this.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 10:10 AM) Prepare to be underwhelmed by the return for Crain. I don't know how that is possible at this point...

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 07:34 AM) The Sox ought to go into tomorrow with every intention of starting him unless someone meets their price. Having him set as the starter should be the motivation to get a deal done before the outing. I agree. I am sure they have a contingency plan in place for Jake being traded; however, you've got to plan on him starting tomorrow, otherwise, I really think it weakens your negotiating position.

QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Jul 28, 2013 -> 09:58 PM) I think this tweet for gammons is telling A's not in on Peavy price(Gray, Russell & take on bearly $20M), ditto Boston, ditto Atlanta. Time running down https://mobile.twitter.com/pgammo/status/361675716460429312 It's ridiculous how much Gammons is used by Boston as a insider to leak information. So he has basically claimed today all 5 teams that were "hot" on Peavy have backed off because of $ and talent. This time of the year is always great for misinformation. I will say this though of all teams that have been reported today that were destinations, not much has come out of beantown, to me that is very telling. I think Boston and Rick are seeing who blinks first. IMO Peavy will either be a Card or will be changing his color of Sox. Hah...too funny!

QUOTE (bighurt4life @ Jul 28, 2013 -> 08:49 PM) It would be a shame to miss out on the opportunity to get 3-5 young talented players into our minor league system because the owner is too cheap to pony up a few million bucks. That is a very short sighted point of view. You go from paying one guy 14.5 million per season to paying several guys rookie scale salaries (provided some of the prospects pan out) for the next several seasons. This is an obvious win and much cheaper in the long run. Reinsdorf only sees the 5 million coming out of his pocket right now instead of the 20 million he'll get to keep in the next 3-5 years because we replaced an expensive and aging player with several cheap and young players. Thats one of the great follies of any business(baseball) man, only seeing the short term loss/gain instead of looking at the long term savings of having a constant stream of young talent. This is why teams like the Rays compete nearly every season on a shoestring budget. They plan for the future by always looking to stock their minor league teams with talented players. When these guys mature, they come to the big team and play for relative pennies keeping the overall cost down while still providing quality play on the field. When someone starts to get some years under their belt and become too expensive they swap him out, let someone else pay the big salary and take on 3 or 4 young guys in return and start the cycle all over again. Case in point is the James Shields for Wil Myers swap this last offseason. They dumped Shields and his big salary for a 22 year old who is going to be a perennial all star and get paid peanuts while doing it. It's a smart way to do business, I wish we did things the same way. But you're forgetting that the guys you get in return might never turn out to be productive players. That's part of the benefit of trading for prospects - because although they are somewhat unknowns at this point, at least they're saving you money. If you give that benefit up by paying all kinds of salary, then what the heck are you trading for anymore? You've got to be getting some kind of consideration out if this, or else you may as well never move a productive veteran.

QUOTE (mike65 @ Jul 28, 2013 -> 08:23 PM) A thoughtful analysis but I think the problem your team has, at least at this moment, is that your owner appears to not want to pay any salary for players that aren't on his team. Your have my Cardinals, Red Sox, Braves, Orioles, and A's that have all checked in on Peavy and they have all checked out with an empty basket. There is something not right about this picture, You say it is the 7th inning of a 9 inning game. Unlike a baseball game, your competition can just leave you standing at the altar with your demands in hand. Do you really want to still have Peavy on Thursday morning? The White Sox may ultimately get a deal done here but I am pretty sure that they will either lower their player demands or increase the money they are willing to put in a deal. You guys are not trading Sandy Koufax. Absolutely...not a lot to lose though right now...

Yeah, I agree...the dance is just getting interesting now...hold your ground, Rick

We got swept by them on purpose

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 28, 2013 -> 06:15 PM) Where is Olney saying this? Btw can't find it The Sunday night game

Olney talking about Crain going potentially as a conditional trade based on appearances.

Also says we are asking for MLB-ready pitching

I think part of it is he just sticks out against the background of this cast of characters as someone who actually gives a s***...I know that's a lot of it for me, anyways. These guys are just dull as hell.

Olney reiterating that he doesn't think the Braves will trade for Peavy, puts Oakland as the most likely suitor still.

QUOTE (Wanne @ Jul 28, 2013 -> 05:09 PM) I'm fully anticipating being disappointed come wednesday. Maybe one deal...happens...but it'll have the same effect as the Thornton deal IMO. Bring your s*** back Jake.... I'm pretty confident Peavy will be moved...and probably Lindstrom too...as for anyone else...I dunno

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Jul 28, 2013 -> 03:46 PM) Gotta love a guy from DR named Al Hanson. I assume he's a plus defender? Nope Plus bat though.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jul 28, 2013 -> 03:15 PM) Konerko with a gem: https://twitter.com/scotgregor/status/361609448223031298

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jul 28, 2013 -> 03:04 PM) There's no reason not to trade him. Well, he's injured...not sure that conditional stuff will get worked out prior to the 31st...

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 28, 2013 -> 02:55 PM) Lindstrom, Crain, and Rios should all get moved between now and July 31st. Plus Alexei. That is 4 guys (in some instances Alexei might go with Peavy). Plus you have Dunn and even potentially Danks or Addison Reed to at least consider putting in front of teams. Reed might be the best closer out there and if a team gets desperate, I'd absolutely move Reed for the right package. You can't possibly have legitimate discussions on all of those guys if you wait on all of them till the end. Not so sure on Crain.

QUOTE (bbilek1 @ Jul 28, 2013 -> 02:16 PM) Hopefully that's the angle they're looking for rather than being stubborn and cheap. Well, if a team doesn't have the flexibility that may not be a negotiation point that can wait; that may be an initial parameter that must be set. But yeah, that is something where you keep negotiating with the other teams and then try to force the team with low payroll flexibility to come over the top of the others with a stronger personnel package.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 28, 2013 -> 02:05 PM) Well that's just f***ing stupid. I don't blame them for not eating any of his 2014 salary, but not eating some money left 2013 is idiotic if doing so will get us a better return. I think we need to wait and see what Hahn does before we rush to judgment...still plenty of time left...lots of posturing and negotiations left

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 28, 2013 -> 01:52 PM) They also have Joakim Soria Jeesh, when the Sox suck I really don't follow baseball enough.