JUSTgottaBELIEVE

Oh I know but even having half a lineup that can maybe put up a .700 OPS is an improvement from last year. Would be great if Teel and Montgomery were solid pieces in the future as well. They really do need to start spending some money in FA though because they’ll never build a decent lineup organically.

I will be very pleasantly surprised if Vargas turns into a legit mlb starter. It’s not much but stacking him with guys like quero, meidroth, Baldwin, and Sosa has the makings of a lineup that’s at least somewhat interesting.

Pete Alonso sure would have been nice!

Of course it’s Vaughn

lol. He’s certainly showing signs of being a league average player, which would be a huge success actually.

Fedde trade starting to look decent

Hey, he’s up to 61 wRC+ and -0.2 fWAR. Improvement! Their problem is the Sox are already more than a quarter of the way through their games prior to the trade deadline and he’s dug quite the hole. Next 30 games will have to put up a ~140 wRC+ just to get back to a league average hitter!

15 months ago I speculated the Orioles rebuild could emulate the recent Sox rebuild. Those over at Orioles Hangout as well as most here laughed at the idea. Well, here we are…

-0.4 fWAR this season and just 0.1 fWAR between 2024/2025 combined now. Assuming they don’t eat any money, will they even be able to find a trade partner as a pure salary dump in a few months?

It’s only been 26 games. Surely he will turn it around over the next 26 games and, if not, the turn around will surely start in the second half of the season as long as he’s not already on the IL.

I will say, I loved that trade from the jump. @WhiteSox2023 can attest to it. Crochet is a monster but that was a very nice return the Sox got for him.

His wRC+ had surged to 53 a few days ago but now back down to 45. We just have to give him another couple months and then maybe it’ll be up to 75!

Don’t worry, it’s only 24 games. Pretty soon it will be - don’t worry, it’s only 50 games, 80 games, etc..

Unfortunately, the only “right” decision was to trade him in the 2023-2024 offseason once the Sox decided to go scorched earth rebuild. The longer they wait, the more his trade value declines. That’s just the reality of the situation.

Fail? Like I said he’s heating up. Up to a 53 wRC+. Think he was around 35 a week ago.

wRC+ up to 53. Heating up

Exactly. I envision a scenario where Robert is sitting at a sub .650 OPS come July and Getz is asking for more than he’s worth, even at a now discounted rate. Rather than accept an offer that’s considerably worse than what he received in the offseason, Getz decides to hold him in hopes he can bounce back in the second half and then trade him in the offseason. Robert then proceeds to scuffle along for the remainder of the season on another historically bad team and the Sox then decide it’s not worth picking up the $20M option for 2026. Either that or he’s injured come July and untradeable anyways while the rest of the scenario plays out as described.

I guess it’s hard not to unless proven otherwise?

Admittedly, I haven’t watch much White Sox baseball in 2025 but I have seen a handful of Robert at bats. If you think this is the same hitter as the one prior to last season I’m not sure what to tell you. And I really don’t care what the underlying metrics say. He’s not the same guy. The swing looks BAD and he’s missing pitches center cut on a regular basis.

You really think they’re going to pick up a $20M option if he continues to carry a .657 or worse OPS this season? I sure don’t. Again, it’s not just about health only with him now like it was a couple years ago. There are also significant performance concerns now.

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Whatever the rumored deal was if it included more than one good prospect from the Reds I’m sure it was BS. Just like the rumored Cease to Reds trade was BS and the Dodgers proposed deal discussed in this thread is BS. Robert’s trade value is approaching salary dump only at this point. Might get a couple guys like Bergolla but that’s about it.

I’m saying there’s a better than 50/50 shot the Sox decline his $20M option for next season at this rate. Just like they declined Moncada’s option for this season…

Wait a minute…. You were on team “hold him until the trade deadline.” Can’t switch now buddy…

Odds that he goes the way of Moncada up to 60% now? It’s certainly rising and rising quickly.