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Offense would look completely different with Alonso and Santander instead of Vaughn and Palacios but boy did I get a lot of pushback for wanting to pay for a big bat like Alonso even though he’d clearly be the face of the franchise for several years (instead of Andrew Vaughn lol)

I don’t know. It’s not like Eloy, Madrigal, Moncada, Timmy have gone on to have great success after their Sox careers.

It happened a little bit with the Cubs World Series team as Baez and Bryant turned into complete pumpkins in their late 20s as well but Schwarber is still mashing and Rizzo was productive into his early 30s. It’s just odd that all of the big Sox hitting prospects peak so early and then most are effectively out of the league before they turn 30.

“Trout 2.0” lol one thing I can’t figure out is why do Sox hitters peak in their low to mid 20s? We’ve seen it now with Timmy, Moncada, Eloy, Robert, Madrigal, Vaughn. Given the peak was short lived in most of these cases but each hitter got objectively worse when they entered their late 20s. Does this happen to other teams too? Seems odd to me.

Come on man. At least they didn’t get shut out. “We should be happy” - Jerry probably

Oh sorry, the 2024 and 2025 seasons to be clear

I don’t expect anything from Zavala. Thorpe as a mid rotation starter and Iriarte as an effective reliever is about all we can hope for unfortunately.

Sorry but Ortiz is awful. The first half of last season was a fluke. He’s been abysmal since, including a god awful 0/11 showing in the postseason. He turns 27 in July and is absolutely destined to be Nicky 2.0. I’m not saying that trade looks good for the Sox by any means but I’d still take Thorpe over Ortiz as the headliner in a Cease trade. Crochet returned a far better package because, quite frankly, he has a much higher upside than Cease and is a few years younger.

If Robert was hitting .250 with an OPS around .800 he’d be a perennial all star or at least close to it. Instead, he’s barely able to produce a positive WAR number the last two seasons. Big difference.

Don’t worry, his advanced metrics look great. He can run very fast and swing really hard. That’s gotta be worth something right?

Maybe. Sox will have to throw in some $ too.

At this rate, they’ll be lucky to get Mike Sirota.

I mean I don’t really care how he gets there (walks, defense, whatever) but I don’t see Robert having another 3.7+ fWAR season with the Sox.

Moncada had a 3.7 fWAR season in 2021, after he had Covid. For reference, Robert has only had one season above 3.7 fWAR.

He has a career wRC+ of 114. So 20-25% above league average as a hitter would be above his career norms. And, personally, I think he’s lower than a 114 wRC+ over the remainder of his career than above it.

Right and this is a point that many refused to accept last offseason. I continually pointed out that it wasn’t just health that was a concern with Robert now, it was also performance after a bad 2024 campaign. The start to this season has done nothing to alleviate that concern either. We saw the same thing happen with Moncada, where even when he was healthy he just wasn’t that good anymore towards the end of his Sox career.

That’s not unusual for him. Is he injured this season too?

I wouldn’t be so sure. He was worth all of 0.5 fWAR last season and so far this season he’s at -0.1 fWAR.

Ok, 2027 then. Got it. I’ll check back in with you in a couple years.

Serious question. When does @WestEddy start holding Getz accountable? If they’re still losing 100+ games in 2027 will you still be optimistic about all the organizational changes Getz made and want to give him more time?

When do we start reaping the rewards of said changes??

Don’t worry everyone, Chris Getz is fixing this

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It does matter. Because one of the most important aspects of an mlb rebuild is flipping current assets for future assets that will be valuable when the team is, hopefully, competitive. The total number of games before the trade deadline in July is approximately 105. So 12 games in is close to 12% of that total. Not insignificant. If things don’t turn around within the next few weeks for these trade candidates, I wouldn’t expect much of anything in return in 3 months and that is no bueno.

It matters when your “big” trade chip is becoming untradeable. Would have been nice to see a few other vets turn in good/decent seasons too like Dejong, Banks, and Fedde did last season so they can be dealt for more than cash considerations but I don’t even see that happening. So now we’re counting on drafting and player development alone to dig out of this gaping hole? Good luck