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QUOTE(Jabroni @ Jun 30, 2005 -> 11:25 AM) Let's see... 1.) Marte is now on the DL which means we only have one lefty in the bullpen. 2.) That lefty (Cotts) is better against righties than lefties. 3.) Hermanson may have to go on the bereavement list because of his father's illness. 4.) Vizcaino sucks. I'm pretty sure that Stanton would get an opportunity to pitch if he was in our bullpen. Yes again get him, also, he has lots of playoff experience.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jun 30, 2005 -> 11:15 AM) What makes you think Stanton would want to come here? remember when Marte is healthy again he is the 3rd lefty out of the pen, and won't have much of a role as a lefty specialist for the Sox. What if he doesn't come back, needs surgery? Stanton is probably in the last year of baseball. The real thing is do we think we can squeeze three months out of the guy.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Jun 30, 2005 -> 11:03 AM) I still stand by my reasoning that Ozzie was doing the right thing. The argument I broached before I knew about Marte. I am fine with that. Its all baseball.

QUOTE(Steff @ Jun 30, 2005 -> 11:10 AM) Jim.. Appreciate the insight.. but I don't care about the minor leaguers. If the deal is right and it betters us, then trade whomever. "Deal them all, I don't want them here..." stupid comment, IMO. I think we all agree then. I think beastly in an abrupt way meant the same thing. Trade anyone in the minors to get you better players for the majors. We have two players on the DL now and they are key players. They most likely will be hurt longer than 15 days. I am not a doctor but marte has probably been hurt for a month now.IMO hernandez doesn't come back next week.

QUOTE(Steff @ Jun 30, 2005 -> 10:59 AM) I have no idea what we have.. I don't pay attention to the minor leaguers until they get called up. But I'm not stupid enough to ship them all out for a 50/50 chance that we even make it to the playoffs. really we are at 50/50. Ok I see your point if we are at 50/50.

QUOTE(Jabroni @ Jun 30, 2005 -> 11:03 AM) Stanton has a guaranteed contract. The Yankees will have to pay it in full whether Stanton clears waivers and accepts an assignment to the minors or they simply outright release him. Either way, Stanton gets paid in full. I agree go get him now.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Jun 30, 2005 -> 10:56 AM) Hermy would have been the last pitcher in the pen. Ozzie had to stretch Shingo as far as possible. Or ..... let Timo pitch. But Yas today the point is valid but last night the arguement was different and people argued it differently. We know why he wasn't used now but sticking up for OZZIE with the thought of marte being healthy made no sense.

QUOTE(JimH @ Jun 30, 2005 -> 10:51 AM) Thanks for reminding me ... Hmmmm ... As long as it's not dinner at Red Door in downtown Naperville. Stop with those chicken wings, they were an abomination (that means bad). As for that greasy fat burger, do you think they can add another two liters of grease the next time? As if there weren't enough? Also do you think you can dump another salt shaker over those fries? At least the PBR was good. Next time I will pack a PB+J. there won't be a next time.

QUOTE(Jabroni @ Jun 30, 2005 -> 10:52 AM) I would almost bet my left nut that Kenny is going to get Stanton now. I completey agree

QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Jun 30, 2005 -> 10:41 AM) Get the f*** outta here. You have to be kidding me. The desire to have another leftie in the pen trumps all!!! Where is BAJ where is BAJ!!!!!! Oh my no BAJ

QUOTE(JimH @ Jun 30, 2005 -> 10:45 AM) The Yankees are in a worse position than in any years recently, comparatively speaking. However, I wouldn't count them out, especially on the last day of June. Jim we are clearly getting away from the point. My original point is and remains, trade prospects to get players to make you better this year. We are making a run for it. Its our best oppty in years. Trade whoever you need to trade. That is my point. I don't care if Baj is great in the minors or if he posts here. I don't care if people know the players personally. Win the damn thing. that is all that matters.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jun 30, 2005 -> 10:43 AM) They've put them self in a s***ty situation that's for sure. They're stuck at this point, not many prospects and a ton of crappy contracts that they're stuck with. i don't think they care, they are an anomally anyway. They have the team, its not like the minor league system would make that team better.

QUOTE(JimH @ Jun 30, 2005 -> 10:40 AM) Hey TQ, let's pick a fight with one another so we can be in the middle of this, whatta ya say? I'll start: You suck. Too easy we always fight, they are starting not to believe us.

QUOTE(Steff @ Jun 30, 2005 -> 10:41 AM) What the Yanks past has to do with us trading away the farm now, like they did over the past 2 years, I fail to see. No more to my comments. I see no need to play the 2 year old tap dance game. Ok, you brought up the yanks, they have been pretty consistant over the years at trading away the farm to go and get players, which I like. No tap dance, just the thought that people don't look at the minors the same as you.

QUOTE(Beastly @ Jun 30, 2005 -> 10:39 AM) And that is what I've been saying. If the right deal comes about, then you pull the trigger. Reed was never going to live up to be that good. Any prospect has got a shot, but I'd want to trade them for pieces to win often, and win now. Well i think that is the point, Last year nobody here thought Reed would be traded. They praised him, loved him, supported him. They loved Olivo. Five tool player they all said. Well He blows. We will have to see about Reed. I figure him to be a career 280 hitter with moderate power (10 HR's) and 50 RBI's. Too me that is no all star.

QUOTE(Steff @ Jun 30, 2005 -> 10:37 AM) And end up in the position the Yanks are in.. :rolly It's a good thing the "old timers" don't run the show. You mean with all those championships? I will take that anytime, although I am sure there is more to your answer than what you said.

there you go.

QUOTE(Beastly @ Jun 30, 2005 -> 10:28 AM) Deal them all, I don't want them here... Well I agree that Minor leaguers should be used at chips to make a team better to ultimately get to the world series. And although you were blunt, i do understand your point, which is trade as many as these guys as you can to get players in here while we are making a run. I agree with this assessment completely. Win at the big leagues and win now.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jun 30, 2005 -> 09:04 AM) It isn't that complex, he didn't pitch much because there wasn't a spot for him. At the time Adkins and Walker were both ahead of him, and that was with a full bullpen at the major league level. He was in the big league camp with the Sox, and got optioned to the minor league camp about halfway through the spring. And as for trade talks, who knows if his name has come up or not. The names that are going to get talked about are the big sexy names like McCarthy, Anderson and Sweeney. Every team that calls us is going to ask for one of those guys first, but no one really is going to pay attention when you start talking about B level prospects, because outside of people like us, no one really cares. Well I hope he brings us a better player. I assume because of his age (I think he is 27 right) that nobody thinks he is a prospect anymore, therefore very little if any upside. Again I am not against this guy, I just find it interesting at how many here think he is great. I am no expert by any means on the minor league system, but you do hear many other names, and you never hear his name brought up anywhere or anytime...except here.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jun 30, 2005 -> 08:38 AM) The one big name I could see the Sox wanting to get from Arizona is Alex Cintron. He is out of a job basically, and he plays 2b, ss, and 3b.. which would be nice for the Sox to have in one player. It would make Willie Harris and Pablo Ozuna able to be sent to the minors when Ross Gload comes back from injury. As for Jeff, look at the numbers he has put up his whole minor league career. He has had one stop in the minors where he had an era over 4. That's it. Last year his minor league era about about 1.50, this year its back lower than that. His numbers are awesome. http://tsn.ca/mlb/teams/players/bio/?id=51...e=mlb-white_sox Yes please alex cintron ..please! As for jeff, again if he was so good he would be here. How much did he play in Spring training? Was he invited to the Big league camp? To me, there is something not right. His numbers are good but nobody except people on this board talks about him. There are pieces missing. hopefully he is great trade bait.

QUOTE(Chisoxfn @ Jun 30, 2005 -> 02:37 AM) Ummm....no. Why in god sakes would the Sox deal a solid reliever (Viz pitched pretty darn admirably tonight and is showing some velocity) in order to call up an unknown like Jenks. Plus what are the Sox getting in return. Lets make one thing clear, Kenny isn't dealing from his pen in order to make room for Baj or Jenks this year. The only reason they'll get a shot is if they replace someone due to injury or in Hermy's case bereavment and come up and kick ass during that time. Otherwise they'll be waiting till September or playing in the majors for some other team before than cause those are the only reasons they'll be up here, imo. I totally agree. They are not trading veterans to bring up "The Baj".

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Jun 30, 2005 -> 01:22 AM) Jeff Bajenaru - 2-1, 1.27 ERA, 50 K's, 21 BB's, 3 HR. Arnie Munoz - 2-9, 3.94 ERA, 54 K's, 23 BB's Matt Smith - 0-4, 4.82 ERA, 34 K's, 19 BB's. Dave Sanders - 2-2, 3.38 ERA, 31 K's, 21 BB's Kevin Walker - 0-2, 5.11 ERA, 27 K's, 15 BB's. That's why. I don't buy it. there were alot of prospects that put up good numbers then never make it. i am not against the guy. Maybe he works out, but if he was so damn good he would be here. If he was so damn good I would hope other teams scout him and ask for him in a trade. I really don't think williams has him as an untouchable, but who knows he might. I do not fall in love with any of these guys, they are a total crap shoot. Many here thought Brandon Mcarthy was the next mark prior because of a few spring training games. he is not, he leaves the ball up, he is not ready to pitch here, but many out of spring Training wanted him to break camp with the team as a starter. He is here, I grant them that, but he shouldn't be, which is why KW might be looking for a starter.

QUOTE(Rex Hudler @ Jun 30, 2005 -> 12:23 AM) So you have talked to every scout in the country and know this for a fact? I promise you every scout in the country wasn't looking at Gary Majewski and Matt Guerrier, but both are doing just fine in their respective roles in the Majors right now. All it takes is one scout to see something in you and the right fit and timing in the bigs. Baj deserves that shot if a spot opens up. Plain and simple. He has not done anything to show he has not earned it. No Rex I have not, but I think my point is he is not talked about even within the big club. I do think scouts did look at Guerrier and Majewski. In fact, I think the Sox traded Maj twice. I think a further point of clarification on my part would be, many on this board, (and I am not naming anyone in particular) get carried away with stats in the minor leagues. People did the same with Munoz and almonte. Apparently, at least through rumors, the sox believe in Jenks more than Baj. At least that is what it appears. I just don't think Baj makes the jump "right now".

QUOTE(Jabroni @ Jun 29, 2005 -> 10:49 PM) I usually like buying a 30-pack of PBR from Jewel and drowning my sorrows in it until I pass out. damn your getting me excited

QUOTE(Capn12 @ Jun 29, 2005 -> 10:48 PM) BTW, was anything definate said about Hermy and an official start date of bereavement leave? I had the Tigers mlb.tv telecast, and SnR for play by play. "That beer is toight! toight!" f***ing Gweido. according to the radio, he was there tonight, so I have no idea what ozzie was thinking. Its not like he has been used alot.