quickman

QUOTE(thelatinoheat_30 @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 10:27 PM) First off, Brantley had a point. Even from last year, I knew Ozzie was one of the worst strategic managers in all of baseball. I hoped it'd get better w/ more experience but obviously not. Ozzie is lucky he didn't get ripped MORE for leaving buerhle in the 8th, no less the 9th. I don't care how little pitches he threw. Marte and Hermanson have been severely underused, leading to their recent subpar performances. Brantley is right on and should be commended. Also, today on ESPNews he(Brantley) said if he could pick any staff to have, he'd pick the twins, pen and starters. Also right there. He also managed to sneak in a comment, saying he might take the sox staff, but he jsut doesn't think the staff is being managed properly. I'll take it a step further. Ozzie cannot manage the TEAM properly, as shown by starting timo at first for the first time in 6 years just to give paul a day off, A DAY BEFORE AN OFF-DAY, that's just plain stupid. he coulda at least used the excuse of trying to keep timo sharp, but he wanted paul to relax. cost us 2 runs w/ that error. there should be more analyts criticizing ozzie's lack of smarts. before ozzie makes decisions based on his "gut feeling", he should use the bathroom to make sure he doesn't confuse these "gut feelings" w/ something else. p.s. i do agree w/ ozzie's using of walker cause he has to use em eventually and he was decent b4 it, so i do have some support for him. You have a lot of arguments here that have been dealt with in other threads, but it seems at least from what you stated that Brantley is not going to let this go. I will assume this will go on for the entire year.

QUOTE(quickman @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 10:19 PM) Ian not to drag this out, but I think Willie Harris is a natural to go down. I really don't think Frank will agree to go down again. i do think he has input, Willie has an option and I suspect it will be him. let me also say i would actually rather have willie than Perez. I just think that Ozzie loves perez and he is not in love with Willie. Its all about the love.

QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 08:48 PM) Crazier things have happened, perhaps you're right. Call me old fashion, but, unless a move drasticly alters/improves the make-up of a successful ballclub, leave it be (despite roster restraints). Ian not to drag this out, but I think Willie Harris is a natural to go down. I really don't think Frank will agree to go down again. i do think he has input, Willie has an option and I suspect it will be him.

QUOTE(ptatc @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 10:07 PM) To add to the conspiracy. Do you suppose KW brought BMAC up to pitch in order to showcase him for BB? Remember at the time Duke said he didn't think he needed to go on the DL. I thought of the same conspiracy idea. Better run you might get to be as cynical as I am!

QUOTE(nvxplorer @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 09:18 PM) Just one point about the bolded sentence. The same holds true for Ozzie. He has the right to respond in any manner he chooses. This whole discussion is a non-issue, as far as I'm concerned. As long as the Sox win, I couldn't care less what is said to or by the press. NV I agree that ozzie has the right to respond in the way he sees fit. I don't agree with Ozzie on many things but he does have the right. I do think though that the man needs to think things through with the media. It may catch up to him. I do also agree its a non issue. Brantley is a nobody.

QUOTE(JimH @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 06:42 PM) Not at all. Let me try to articulate this, troll: You're a smarmy ass 24 year old who thinks he's brighter than everyone else. "Wow, I'm in grad school, aren't I smart?" What you've done since you've come here is try to be your big brother (penis envy, maybe?) and be Mr. Argument. Too bad this board doesn't offer lawyer pay. What exactly is the problem with your lack of interpersonal skills? Do you not have any at all? Are you this much of a colossal prick every time you go somewhere new? Or are your only friends the same type of cynical s*** stirrers who are frustrated with their lot in life? How many posters have you managed to piss off in the course of 3-4 days? Congratulations, you're up to about a dozen. Let me review ... hmmm, I think it was articulated rather well. You're a stain to this board. Go away. However, let me tell you this, if you continue to get in my face I'll be slinging it right back wise ass. Well lets see you just felt like you had to drill someone because I mixed it up a bit earlier. What a copy cat. But it was a nice post. Are you sure you got your point across? The grad students are under alot of pressure these days maybe you will need to come back a couple more times just to be sure.

QUOTE(Butter Parque @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 09:03 AM) I am extremely pleased with the way Ozzie handled that idiot Jeff Brantley. Last night after the rejection of the apology, Brantley still couldn't get over monday afternoon. Whenever Ozzie was topic of discussion, all Brantley could talk about was Ozzie not bringing in his closer. The fact that some s*** ass announcer is actually (not only bad mouthing) but completely upbraiding the guy's managing. It's one thing to question a managerial move and to not agree with it, but to say that it's completely wrong, it's poor managing, and that the closer should be pissed is just stupid. The fact is, Jeff Brantley and Steve Phillips haven't been on the White Sox bandwagon all year. Maybe thats a good thing, one was the worst GM of all time, and the other is a stupid redneck who makes the most simple, vague, and un-educated comments I've ever heard from an announcer. It's a good thing Steve Stone is in there to clean up the mess that is Jeff Brantley. If I was Ozzie, I would have pulled out one of my notoroius tirades and bashed the guy. Unless you've been a manager or coached or been in that situation, you have no right to say something is wrong or to bad-mouth someone for their decision. You cna question it or disagree with it, but don't bash someone for it, especially not on national television. I guess I am not sure I agree with you but maybe for different reasons. Its brantleys job to second guess and same with phillips. I am not defending what they say just the ability to say it. Brantley was a major league pitcher for I think 14 seasons and spent sometime as a closer, Phillips was a GM, I think that gives them some good qualifications to second guess. What if it was DJ doing the same thing? Is it better because he is a homer? I think that managers need to be thicker skinned and Ozzie needs to learn that. Having the media, weather national, or local not on your side does not do the ballclub any good. All ozzie does at that point is become Dusty baker. ozzie should have talked it over with brantley for 10 damn minutes. Then they could walk away dissagreeing. If ozzie runs away or barks at everyone second guessing him, inclduing fans, than he is in for future trouble.

QUOTE(Steff @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 11:58 AM) I doubt Jim has the ability to act like a $%@$&^ so convincingly. Lookie there.. I kept it clean for ya. you'll be surprised he is real good at it.

QUOTE(Steff @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 11:55 AM) Boo f***ing hoo Terry... I bet you drag the little missus around by the hair, too. throw her down the stairs too!

QUOTE(JimH @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 11:52 AM) Can I, can I, please mom and dad, please, can I , can I, I promise I'll clean my room tonite, can I, can I please? Your just jealous that I am going back and forth with princ... and your not. Stop it. You will get your turn someday.

QUOTE(Steff @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 11:50 AM) You do tend to ASSume a lot.. Barely a thread goes by without that profanity. Yes i maybe an ass. Again i am ok with that. what are you again?

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 11:49 AM) And to add to that, why isn't Willie Harris starting? He did start God damn it!!!!!!!! Timo and Willie it was aweful. How can we expect to win like this. We need better players.

QUOTE(Steff @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 11:46 AM) Really.. I take exception to it..? Where did I say that? I said that and complain is all you do. Don't put words in my mouth, and no one said anything about it being offensive. I guess I interpreted you calling it out as being something you disliked. I am sorry Now that I know you don't dislike it why would you call it out. And yes I do b**** about the sox, and that is ok. Why would that not be ok? Your opinion is no better than mine Stephanie. Its just an opinion, whether negative or positive.

QUOTE(thomsonmi @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 11:35 AM) It's fine for you to have that personal opinion with regard to your choice of wives. My personal opinion is that this is an awful sexist thing to say on a public forum and I'd rather not see such opinions shared on this site. If you want to lambast everyone who uses profanity that's fine, but suggesting that somehow it is more wrong for women to use profanity is more than just a "low blow." You have the right to your opinion, but so do I. If there's any doubt about it -- I am a white man. Ok its still my opinion whether its sexist or not.

QUOTE(Steff @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 11:32 AM) That would be nice... I expect Terry to venture OT and take a shot. He's got nothing else to add here other than b****ing about the Sox and peddling his tickets. So be it.. If I am not using tickets I really don't see how offering them to folks on the board is of bad nature. It seems as if you take exception to this. That's ok, if the mods or others find it offensive, please let me know and I will stop. the people that do take them seem to like them and appreciate the fact that they are there, but I will certainly stop this if people are offended.

back to the point. OZZIE is a Complete idiot.

QUOTE(aboz56 @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 11:31 AM) No one is being defended, I'd just hate to see another thread closed because people start talking about things that have nothing to do with anything on this board or the topic at hand. n o problem I am done.

QUOTE(Controlled Chaos @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 11:28 AM) I don't think either one of you deserve warnings... Steff can handle herself and Im sure she will... oh you just want to see whats next! i do agree I thought I was mild but I will abstain based on ABOZ defending Steff.

QUOTE(aboz56 @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 11:24 AM) Not necessary at all, cut it out or you'll be taking a break. Well, I guess you will have to warn her next then Correct?

QUOTE(Steff @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 10:15 AM) It's got nothing to do with who my friends are.. I hate Willie with a passion and I'd call your bulls*** out if you said s*** about him without merit. You continually try to use the "I know they are your friends" argument.. get the f*** over it. Stephanie I do not continuelly use that argument, so I really have nothing to "get the f*** over" as you so elequently state. Have I brought it up a few times yes, but I do not dwell on it. I do think though that you conitnue to bring up the fact that you talk to players, or your husband plays golf with players, or you party with players, therefore my conclusion is that you put it out there so you should be aware that people will bring it up from time to time. its just what has been created whether you do it purposely or not. Now for my low blow: I am happier as each day goes by that I do not have a wife that uses profanity all the time, and even though I am guilty of it regulary It just doesn't sound very classy coming from a woman.

QUOTE(aboz56 @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 10:35 AM) Look at what I managed to start... Anyway, the consensus still remains. Our manager is a clueless dumbass with the bullpen. I don't care if Cotts's arm was a bit sore or how bad Marte has sucked lately, don't bring in Kevin Walker, EVER. And also, why was Timo even on the field? Release him now and save us the embarassment. This guy is a total slug. I agree completely

QUOTE(Steff @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 10:11 AM) Apparently there are some comprehension issues for you today.. I don't need you to clear anything up.. I understand exactly what you were expressing, albeit IMO miserably doing so. My issue is you SPECIFICALLY calling out players, intended or not. I don't like it, that's my opinion, I stated it, and that's that. Ok, i know you don't like it, because you are close to them. I am not. but I am still entitled to my opinion as well. So we will disagree as usual and go our separate ways. I am not trying to blow off the debate, but I need to go now.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 10:09 AM) If Konerko isn't hurt, and your only option is to play Timo at 1B, and you have an off day the next day.......Why does Konerko need to be rested? Its baseball, not too grueling of a sport. If it had been 90 degrees with 85% humidity the last couple of weeks maybe, but that and inserting Walker were two of the dopiest moves I have ever seen made. I bet you Konerko feels the same this morning whether he played last night or not. Ok thats my point!!!!!!!!!!!!

QUOTE(Steff @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 10:00 AM) I'm reading the damn thread Terry... and I see where you laid the blame on Ozzie.. I also see where you told Neal and Paul to "suck it up"... specifically YOU said "Neal.. suck it up..", "Paul.. suck it up.." (sic). I'm not going to lay off the fact that the MANAGER maked the decisions to sit guys, barring injury, and I refuse to blame them when he does so. That's MY point and I think it's BULLs*** when someone states something differently. I can see how you got that impression :headshake So let me provide some context for you. I blame this on ozzie, yesterday and today. If though, the players said they want a rest, than I say to them suck it up. I don't care if Neal's penis is falling off due to all the babes he had last night. I hope this provides better context. I hope that straightens everythign out for you. I BLAME OZZIE unless the primadonnas forced him into this situation.

QUOTE(Steff @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 10:01 AM) Post of the year.. personally I think he meant this as a joke. But you know him better than I.