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QUOTE(kapkomet @ Aug 3, 2007 -> 08:57 AM) Wrong Again. Come on Tex. Quit dreaming. Dont stop, thinking about tomorrow, Dont stop, itll soon be here, Itll be, better than before, Yesterdays gone, yesterdays gone.

QUOTE(Controlled Chaos @ Aug 3, 2007 -> 09:24 AM) Can we use minimum security prisoners to do some of these jobs? Is that an option? The only problem that seems to arise when we use prisoner labor is when it takes jobs away from honest citizens. In this case it would be taking jobs from illegals, and I could see that, if it was jobs that could be done behind prison walls.

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Aug 2, 2007 -> 04:55 PM) In this case, it makes me SICK when people politicize something like this. What the hell is wrong with you people (you people being the politicians)? It's a problem, it was before 6:00 last night, and now it's a bigger problem. Stop blaming people, fix it, and let's move on. It really depends on how it is "politicized". If the Dems and the Reps begin debate on how best to solve the problem, isn't that what our system is all about? Why/How did we arrive at this point and what is the best route out? Then let the tax and spend Dems come up with their plan and the spend, cut taxes, and borrow money from foreign banks Reps come up with theirs. It may be political, but that is how we figure out a plan in this country. It seems sick, and probably is, but it is what it is.

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Aug 2, 2007 -> 04:56 PM) NO. For goodness sake, there are other means besides deporting them all... and then going to the other extreme of making them all citizens. I am with you there. Some should be deported. Like I said, no job/family support, commit other crimes, and adios. Businesses that knowingly employed them, I have no concern for. It's the companies that received forged documents and employed these individuals that I do not think should be punished. I also do not believe we have to offer those that came illegally full citizenship. Perhaps those that follow legally should have that path, and possibly even their children, but we do not owe that to them. And let's make certain we have a system that ties immigration to jobs. No jobs, no immigration.

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Aug 2, 2007 -> 04:52 PM) Oh goodie. Another Vietnam and Iraq comparison. Waaay better than the Hitler - Saddam comparisons. ;-) If the country won't help their own asses, then Americans shouldn't be dying. We can learn from our history or be doomed to repeat it. The choice is ours to make.

QUOTE(longshot7 @ Aug 2, 2007 -> 03:26 PM) Wow, it's a WEIRD day when I agree with Nuke. And I wholeheartedly do. Enforcement First. As in deport them all, and find millions of replacement workers? Unlimited budget for deportations? Should we raise taxes to pay for the enforcement and offer businesses help in locating workers?

For the average person living in a country, a war zone is much worse than what most evil dictators attempt. We have destroyed much of that country for reasons that shift like the sand and may have been fradualant at worse and misleading at best. No WMD and there are far more countries that pose bigger risks. But we have this mess and need to fix it. It is our moral obligation to the innocents. I wish we could agree on a path out, but we first have to get some to admit we should be out. In a twisted sort of way, one ha to be impressed that a mismatched, poorly trained, poorly equiped, group of fighters could be battling US Troops this long. When one is fighting for more than a paycheck and GI bill perhaps they are inspired. One more lost American life is too much. We watched as the citizens of Vietnam would not pick up their end and here it is again. With so little help from them I have no problem seeing us leave and allowing the pieces to fall. Then we can talk about humanitarian efforts to restore their country.

Just after midnight on 9/15/01 the Causeway collapsed that linked South Padre Island with the mainland. Same results, cars drove off into the bay below. Many people thought it was another terrorist attacks, this coming days after the 9/11 attacks. My guess was drunk barge Captain. I was close, greedy, over loaded, barge Captain. In that case, the causeway has a steep climb over this section as it passes over the ship channel. The area that collapsed was a blind spot as you crest the hill. I passed over that spot about 50 times this summer, sometimes getting stopped on that spot. Each time my butt puckered up just a bit.

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Jul 25, 2007 -> 05:47 PM) They take polls to figure out what their next move is, Damn politicians, listening to the voters. What kind of government do we have? Bush is sooo much better, he doesn't listen to anyone.

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Jul 20, 2007 -> 01:51 PM) Blech. Assuming Hillary gets the nomination (again... for the third time), then I have to make a choice just like this time between two people I can't stand, but I can't stand Romney less then I can't stand Mrs. Bill Clinton. That makes me sick just thinking about it. ^^^^ ^^^^ Hammer Time, I'd write him in, or not vote.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 31, 2007 -> 08:53 PM) That isn't an argument for allowing illegal immigration - its an argument for changing immigration policy to fit economic need, which I would love to see. And exactly what I have been arguing. Tying immigration to jobs. Trying to replace 10,000,000 workers tomorrow would be a disaster. If the illegal has been holding down a job, not committing any other crimes than crossing illegally, allow him/her a path to stay legally. No job, committing crimes, adios senor. And back to SS's comments about it's racist to mention the jobs that illegals are working. Looking at where we catch illegals. Meat packing plants, dangerous manufacturing jobs, agriculture, restaurants. All low demand jobs. When I see ads for these jobs in my local newspaper for plants all over the US, that tells me that 1. Most Americans do not desire these jobs and 2. Illegals fill that void in the work force. I'm not certain how that conclusion would be considered racist.

I was making a general statement. When the rest of the team is going through the motions, and sucking, it's harder for you to play your best than if you have a team firing on all cylinders. Just saying. Not taking a specific position on any specific player. Just mentioning the "see what they can do". Probably should have been made in a different thread. Momentum is contagious.

One down side to the "It's a lousy season, see what they can do" and especially with pitchers. is it is very tough to "show what you can do", when everyone sucks around you. Keep that in perspective.

We have one of the best education systems in the world. It isn't racist to believe that 12 years in this system will qualify someone for a better job than someone who was educated in a third world country. Currently over one hundred shrimp boats are sitting in harbor and not fishing because the Labor department is now refusing the work visas they have approved in the past. There are jobs for almost a thousand people. It is for four weeks and required you to live on board the boat. Ads have been placed in newspapers all over the country and almost no takers. Meanwhile, the workers who have been working those jobs for decades are sitting 25 miles away, in Mexico, ready and willing to work. The American shrimpers and screwed, each boat carries about $40,000 in fuel so the fuel companies are screwed, wholesalers who really on those shrimp are screwed, truckers, etc. http://www.brownsvilleherald.com/news/shri...ers_season.html Is this what you want? Where are the American workers willing to work for three weeks for damn good pay?

QUOTE(NUKE @ Jun 30, 2007 -> 10:03 PM) Yeah. Tie LEGAL immigration to job growth. Stopping ILLEGAL immigration needs to be done first. Of course. But they are here because of demand, as a country, it is in our best interest to make certain that we respond in our best interest, not what is politically popular today. We'd be cutting off our nose to spite our face by just deporting 12,000,000 WORKERS and their families. The businesses will suffer and so will we. Put in a plan that fills the needs of American business and controls the number of immigrants, I'm more in favor of reducing the H1B VISA program and creating more high end jobs for Americans than trying to push low end jobs on Americans. Our education system is better than that.

QUOTE(klaus kinski @ Jun 30, 2007 -> 08:31 PM) Everyone makes it sound like the money comes out of OUR pockets to keep a popular productive pitcher. Last time I looked the results were covered in the sports section with runs scored not ROI from the financial pages.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Jun 29, 2007 -> 12:03 PM) Which is funny, because with the lack of income taxes in Texas IIRC, I read a number of years ago that athletes and others like actors, entertainers, were being taxed in some states when they played there. Found a link, there are others, I love the Jordan angle http://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=15642

I saw the headline and thought, which one?

QUOTE(Yossarian @ Jun 29, 2007 -> 01:47 PM) making law from the bench. Then Bush shouldn't sign them when they cross his desk. When did we change our constitution to allow judges to make laws?

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Jun 28, 2007 -> 02:09 PM) Thank goodness. And f*** you, Lindsey Grahm... and Harry Reid, and most important, Dubya... next time, listen to your constituents. The other thing is, GET RID OF THE DEMAND... in other words, PUNISH THE CRAP out of companies that are using this illegal labor. They are more the problem then the people here. If the people can't work because there's no jobs for them (i.e. people have to be LEGAL), then guess what? They'll go home, because there's nothing for them here. The problem of "rounding them up" suddenly goes away. Imagine that. It's a no win for many of those companies. With excellent forged documents so readily available, the could be getting punished for being a victim. And if you owned the business who would you rather hire? Someone who risks their lives for the job or someone who you finally got to accept the job because you raised the wages high enough? We need a bill that ties immigration levels to job growth. Unemployment rates have been low for decades and there are still illegals entering this country. It's simple supply meeting demand. If unemployment was higher I could see the argument. But an accountant isn't going to accept a $10 per hour job, he will continue to look for suitable employment.

Isn't it a shame that we have these workers that want to work, while citizens sit on their asses and collect welfare? I'd much rather employ and support someone who wants to work and support their family over someone who happened to hit the lottery by being born here.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ May 31, 2007 -> 08:52 PM) Supportive? No. I would be OK with any business choosing its customers, and I believe that a bar should be allowed to do that if they choose. But you can bet your ass I wouldn't do anything to ever support such an establishment. There is a difference between what I feel personally, and what should be allowed. I despise racism and other forms of bigotry, but a person should be able to conduct their private business in any way they like. This is one of the reasons I really dislike the far-right social conservatives - you can like or dislike anything you'd like, but keep your laws of people's personal lives. This post has been edited by the Soxtalk staff to remove objectionable material. Soxtalk encourages a free discussion between its members, but does not allow personal attacks, threats, graphic sexual material, nudity, or any other materials judged offensive by the Administrators and Moderators. Thank you. 40 years of civil rights and we'd be right back to where we started? Segregated bathrooms? Segregated hotels? Sorry, I can't support that in any way.

WHOA, I'm a little shocked by the above. Y'all would be supportive of No Blacks bars?

QUOTE(Alpha Dog @ May 31, 2007 -> 05:03 PM) They also get the fees if the case is settled, but the point is that they get fees where there are no actual damages, not actual fees to be recouped since the services were donated. They incurred no injury and no expense, yet make money. Like I said, a sweet deal if you can get it. And I will conceed a point that especially in today's world, if a city decided to build a new courthouse and have religious symbols all over it, that would attract attention. but when they go after decades old war memorials because they dare have a cross on them, that's going a bit too far. Isn't that what every lawyer does? I agree the retroactive stuff drives me crazy.

QUOTE(Steff @ May 31, 2007 -> 01:36 PM) First thought at a nickname for a child named Salvatore..? Vito?